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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    See plenty of well fleshed aa and he cattle sell in marts for 4.10-4.20kg live at the minute.Dawn plants are paying 8.20 flat for Angus heifers at this moment of time.

    not much between them now possible more in factory if they kill over 50% but also could end up getting a good run in the mart if the right buyer drives them up an extra 10-20c at the ring



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    Was watching Ennis for a few minutes yesterday and seen a blue bull weanling 430kg not sold at 2930 and it was a ringside bid where the main export buyer is normally standing. And he came all the way from Cork too to make it even worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    why not

    those cattle are driving up factory price



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    Why not what exactly?

    If they go for export then there not slaughtered here and therefore not subject to whatever the beef price is here at the time. Whatever figures the exporters/overseas customers are working off where ever there going must be adding up to allow the export trade to continue but it's nothing that's within our control either way.

    It wouldn't be impacting the factory trade as such apart from maybe the more forward heavy (500kg+) bull weanlings which would be suitable for feedlot customers and reasonably short-term finishing. The majority of the lighter type weanlings that are being shipped are no where near the slaughter stage and aren't of interest to feedlots which only buy forward type stores for short term feeding.

    It's irrelevant to the factory what weanlings or light stores are making as they don't slaughter these or there feedlots don't usually buy them. Granted if enough of them are shipped there's a knock on effect of less beef/forward stores in time to come but longterm planning and safeguarding supply isn't something they seem overly interested in judging by there actions as regards the bare minimum beef price down through the years.

    Yes it's important for the farmer's that are buying the weanlings and competing with the exporters to get a margin on there investment but again it's not directly linked to the beef price on the day. I don't honestly know how you could complete with the exporters atm to buy a bundle of nice weanlings to farm them but that's for everyone to make up there own mind on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    do you work for icbf

    the exported weanlings would be the heaviest carcass animals at any age with the highest kill out percentage

    taking these out of the system puts a floor on beef price and money in every finishers pocket

    they are an important part of the cycle even if most on here dont wont or cant buy them



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    I don't disagree with any of that and it helps reduce down the overall national herd. This reduction combined with a global scarcity of cattle has pushed beef prices to new highs around the world.

    However I still don't think that the domestic trade for runners, weanlings and light stores would be as strong only for the export demand. I see very little correlation between what the beef cattle are making and what it would cost to replace them like for like with equivalent weanlings. Seemingly whatever price the exporters are working off they can buy them out almost irregardless of the price and its very hard for a farmer to compete with that .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


    But if you were to believe the spin Irish beef is now higher priced than the European average so how can the farmers in the destination countries pay those high prices with the exporters costs and margin added on.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    I don't have an answer to that question I'm afraid, it's something I often wonder myself. The live exporting was always a sort of a magicians type setup and it's no great wonder that outfits went bust from time to time. However it seems to be working atm and there's some amount of stock gone for the boat all year at high prices and whatever additional expense has to be put on them before they reach there destination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I think part of the export demand is for beef in North Africa and the middle east, there are places were steady and cheaper food is more important for the leadership staying off the hook themselves.

    What influence is that though?

    Maybe contract cattle for super markets needing fulfillment to avoid penalties, contract losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭epfff


    Correct most of the markets outside Europe is subsided by the Ruler of the day to keep food cheep to keep them in power.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭Jim Simmental


    I wonder what part of the world are our weanlings being exported to ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭leoch


    Was there not a big exporter from up north somewhere maybe donegal or sligo direction that got stung with a load of cattle they were either stole my pirates ....the boat I mean .…or the leaders u chat about refused to pay or something like that....now this is years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭epfff


    They all got stung at some stage.

    Civil war, change of government and good old fashioned I'm just not paying would be regular.

    I know some of the contracts have money up front or solid government backing (Turkey) but obviously the riskier the contract the less competition and greater profits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Many now have spread the risk. A couple could have up to 8 counties on the go. Big profits when everyone pays.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    There's different destinations for different types of stock, I'm not that well up on the exporting job but I'd know a few of the men involved. The higher grade weanlings are usually for Italy, the more average type continental weanlings were going to Turkey and Greece. Then you've the eastern European market like Romania and Bulgaria. Spain, Morocco and Algeria are more for dairy bred cattle and a lot dairy calves go to the Netherlands and Belgium. Then you've outlets for breeding stock from time to time as well, there was an export job with purebred AA cattle to Russia at one stage but I don't know if its ongoing.

    As for going bust in the live export game it wouldn't be that unusual. One of the main players about here all year went bankrupt about a decade or so ago with a different company but is back as good as ever. There's lots of potholes you can fall into in the shipping business and it takes a certain type of person to take it on. A million euro worth of stock atm isn't that hard assembled (500 weanlings at €2000 apiece). I don't know what sort of a bank account you'd want to finance it all and I haven't a notion what expenses are to be put on the stock between purchase and delivery in X country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Would you not wonder, how much money was made the past decades on calves and weanlings, when prices at home here was poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭kk.man


    There was a court case in Belfast about 3 years ago where a exporter took and claimed damages of 120e per beast. Now if your claiming damages in a court case you better have your sums add up or you'll be destroyed.

    At 2000 cattle on a boat that's a quarter of a million. That's what's at stake when you get paid.

    There's no exporter going against the factories in this climate without a reward. Of course the short signess of the greedy cartel couldn't see it coming hense why they have issues today. They thought what's a few exports going to do, well they now have cleared their supply for three years. It took 3 years from 1981 when Purcell cleaned the glut for the barons to recover it will be the same again.

    They will spin sh</e of sustainable calf rearing without any economic figures and tell the suckler fella he's doing a great job. But they will double price everything Paddy farmer gets x while contract and agents get z. Their model has been so exposed at the minute it's not even funny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭green daries


    They have completely fucked themselves. I think it is a bigger clean out than Purcell (there was alters of thanks set up to the man around these parts. ) it's really hard to see a return to anything like the numbers or tonnes of beef from a couple of years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Are Mallons, owners of Liffey meats, Carnaross and Balinakill mart, one of the big exporters



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    I can't see how there'll ever be a return to the tonnage of beef in times past. The whole cattle farming job has changed and there's neither the stock or the farmers to produce what used to be produced.

    Suckler farming used to be the mainstay industry around here but it's on the down and down for years. The men that kept 5 or 10 cows and produced the weanlings are dying off every year and there's no one to replace them. If someone younger does take over there's as good a chance of them going at drystock or sheep to fit in better with there off farm job.

    Once upon a time there were cows looking out across every hedge about here but now a lot of that land is in forestry or growing wild with a few cattle running about to draw the payments. The cows and the men that used to keep them are gone and I don't see how they'll be back. The knowledge of how to farm suckler cows is being lost as well and there's not too many overly worried about it. The government are only glad to see the national herd reducing year on year, its better for the environment and whatever beef is wanted can be bought off the south Americans or whoever else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Hershall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Top prices at Ennis weanling show and sale today.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    Some price for that X bred heifer, She'd want to be laying the Golden eggs at that price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I see lm and bb have moved ahead of the Charolais in demand and prices. Or is it just me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    I watched for 40 mins and there were hardly no CH going through. Nearly all LM when I was watching and a splatter of random less quality breeds. (Edit had a look at the catalog for today’s sale and there were plenty there ).

    Some quality cattle there infairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 ✭✭✭jfh


    I'd say tgat was just in the heifers, there was plenty exceptional charolois in the bullocks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    This was Lot 3N that made €3750. DOB 02 Feb 2025, 425kgs.

    All those prices I listed above were for the top prices across both bulls and heifers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    I watched the Bull ring for a while, the majority was LMX, the rest was 50:50 BBX or CHX. Fantastic cattle in fairness, ages seemed a bit dodgy on some of them. Like there was one Jan born calf weighing 515kg. I don't see the need to hold back registering animals as they were always going to be fit for killing under 30 months, but then again isn't there an 18 month market too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Cannot see him standing on slats too long although he seems to have good clearance from the hocks to bottom.of the hoof

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Gone to Europe I'd say. No standing on slats for him. A fine deep bed of straw from now on.



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