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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Are you suggesting we should be putting homeless Irish in abandoned buildings?

    If people on couches present as homeless are they not given homeless shelter as an option? I would imagine a mattress in an old building in an IPAS centre is no more luxurious than a homeless shelter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭Cordell


    so where do you keep them while you process them?

    Those without papers: hold them in custody until they voluntarily admit to their identities then send them back.

    Those with papers coming from safe countries: send them back, asylum request denied, 5 minutes processing time

    Those with papers coming from unsafe countries: send them back, we're full.

    Keep the biometrics for everyone, to quickly send them back next time, if they dare again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭Cordell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Where do you hold 200 undocumented migrants a week in custody?

    Where do you hold 100s of asylum seekers from Afghanistan or Sudan while trying to arrange to get them sent back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    There are buildings which are classified as derelict in this country which could and should be renovated and brought back into use.

    We need to increase supply any way we can.

    Solving the ongoing housing crisis should be the priority, not housing people who shouldn't be in the country to begin with.

    Genuine applicants have never been the issue but your position seems to be to just allow anyone and everyone into the country. This isn't sustainable.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    That's not my position but they keep coming, so where do you suggest the 100s coming every week are put now?

    You all say put them on the first plane home lock them all up until we find out who they are but neither option is possible now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Policy needs to change.

    Biometric enrollment was mentioned, but it should be an EU wide policy, once a person enters the EU they should be enrolled into a database that can be accessed by all EU member states.

    Nobody is taking this issue seriously at that level. We see these types of things being rolled out for people travelling who aren't asylum seekers, the buy in isn't even all that expensive tbh, it's not outside the ability of the EU to start getting this right.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It will drop sharply when they find out they are heading to a holding facility that they can't leave rather than cosy hotels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Policy won't be changing any time soon, therefore we'll keep having to use hotels and abandoned buildings, that's the point I'm making.

    Saying send them on the next plane back etc is just empty rhetoric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    We're at least a few years off holding facilities in my opinion, so we'll have 10s of 1000s of asylum seekers to deal with in the meantime.

    The problem is only going to get worse and worse. I've always said we'll see people being machine gunned at borders in Europe in my lifetime, and these people are only doing what humans have always done, seeked out better opportunities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭TokTik


    it’s coming into winter soon. There’s a tent and there’s your next appointment. Good luck, and don’t camp anywhere illegal, if you are arrested your claim is void.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Where do they put the 100s arrested? No prison space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So we shouldn't question the system then?

    Stats show the majority of people arriving don't have a genuine claim, after they're rejected they remain here.

    So we have absolutely no control over who comes into the country or what they do while they're here.

    Change is needed even if you think it's going to be difficult to achieve.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Question away. When do you think the government will implement the required solutions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Wouldn’t be too difficult to set up a camp in the Curragh or somewhere like that. The army is there for matters such as aiding civil power. Then charter planes. We soon wouldn’t have hundreds a week arriving. I’d also be assessing any assets they have, money, jewellery etc and garnishing that to pay for their stay here, like Denmark has done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    With enough pressure.

    I think if numbers keep increasing and we go back to where we were in 2024 with visible numbers of tent cities popping up again it's going to become a very volatile issue again.

    The government have been cute hoors sweeping this under the rug in recent times but the reality is that it isn't getting any better and eventually it will explode in their face.

    So to answer your question, in the short term no but within the next 12 months I think this is likely to become something they can't keep a lid on any further.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Just out of a taxi to the airport in Portugal

    Driver was Bangladeshi - upon asking where I was from and learning I was Irish he became very animated “Ireland is the best for Bangladeshi”. He explained his brother’s family were in Ireland and that next year he was going to join them. He had applied for a visa for Ireland and was refused, so he thought Portugal would be easier.

    Next year his 5 years will be up and when he gets his passport he will come straight to Ireland

    He had a lot of questions for me about average wages in Ireland and the cost of living. I explained that rents were very expensive at the moment and his first question was “How much if I share a single room with 3 or 4 other people?”

    Then he asked all about the “support” the government in Ireland gives. How much is it a month, is it just cash or do they give toward food and medical as well etc etc. - the person I was travelling with couldn’t believe how brazenly and directly he was enquiring about the nature and amounts of our “support”

    Looks like the worst kept secret is well and truly out in the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭Quags


    Walking past the canals the last while, Tent Cities are not far from reappearing properly again. Some of the new arrivals have now start doing the empty bottle trade in the Tesco on Baggot St 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Amazing that that happened to you of all people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Well good luck getting a taxi driven by an Irish driver in Limerick.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Go back through the thread, I’ve never posted a single anecdote or anything like it. Was quite taken aback by this encounter is all.

    Regardless, you’re the king of “nothing is ever happening” whether it’s the worsening antisocial behaviour in Dublin or issues with immigration. So I honestly couldn’t give a rats if it’s you that disregards what I’ve said. I could relay an experience of buying a litre of milk in my local supermarket and would likely get a similar response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    I've been trying to stimulate some debate on how we might actually begin to seriously tackle the issues of immigration, crime and welfare reform, by political activism, on a thread I started elsewhere on Boards. Posters here may be interested in having a look and contributing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Marcos


    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No.point increasing our own population without housing or people to staff services . We need more supports for women who want/ have to work to pay the big mortgages more state sponsored childcare ,after school care .

    They have this in Scandinavian countries however but still their birth rates are low . Other factors at play here ?

    Women often take the hit career wise but I am glad to see that it is improving with term time work and job sharing . Parental leave for fathers and more flexibility in the work place generally is the only way people will consider having more than one child with costs the way they are now.

    It's no point saying country and society before economy . Finances are important too or people cannot live the life they want and if they can't they will either emigrate or cut back somewhere . And that major expense that is cut back by many is seen to be having a child or a second one .

    People talk about the Celtic Tiger ..many people were only getting their heads above water and starting to relax and live here when the 2008 crash happened .

    And that was because the economy was relying on houses and developers to keep the boom going .

    I don't think MM and some in FF have quite grasped that they are heading down the same road again. They say they have but if so would they not have sorted all the issues like housing , health and infrastructure as well as and not just education and employment ?

    When the multinationals and their money leave we will have all these problems still and no money to sort them out .

    "An indigenous Irish birth explosion, particularly within the 'get up early in the morning' class, would solve a lot of our problems."

    Maybe 22 years from now ..but in the meantime ..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    We absolutely do need them to fill gaps in our health services .

    Elsewhere not certain anymore because as you correctly point out there have been layoffs in the tech sector .

    The reason EU nurses are not being recruited is because the EU Health Service as a whole is short staffed and the UK so there is competition .

    Also Indian nurses speak English and are trained through English.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭Cordell


    We need nurses, we don't need THEM. Indian nurses should be among the last option, maybe second to last to African nurses. We should train more in Ireland, pay them better, then if really needed only go as far as EU/EEC for nurses trained to EU standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Easy to make a comment that offers no solution also it appears .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    On flights/ferries straight back to where they came from, preferably.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Instant processing. Straight back upon refusal. The ambulance chaser legal crowd and the NGOs can get stuffed. If the EU or UN has a problem, they can also get stuffed. We're a sovereign nation, our house, our rules. End of.



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