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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    I mean, in fairness, she did acknowledge her mistake and offered a fully explained apology.

    That would be fine if she changed her tune. As the below quote shows, she was only trying to provide herself with some cover to continue her defence of Hamas and attacks on Israel. This quote is very recent.

    “People continue to say ‘But Hamas, Hamas, Hamas’... I don't think people have any idea what Hamas is. Hamas is a political force that won the 2005 elections—whether we like it or not. Hamas built schools, public facilities, hospitals. It was simply the authority, the de facto authority.”“So it is critical that you understand, that when you think of Hamas, you should not necessarily think of cut-throats, people armed to the teeth, or fighters. It's not like that.”

    If that's an accurate summation of how you see Hamas, then fair enough, she's your gal. Otherwise.

    Bear in mind, she's not you or me posting their musings on Boards, she works for the bleedin UN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Point out in her statement where she defends Hamas. I dare you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    “Today’s violence must be put in context.”

    What more do you need?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    And exactly how is that defending Hamas?

    She clearly states "whether we like it or not".

    Do you not find it odd that, after 681 days, Netanyahu still refuses the Israeli public an enquiry into Oct 7th?

    There is a context - and Israelis want to know it too.

    Israel funded Hamas and built tunnels in Gaza. Israel ignored all clear warning signs that an attack was imminent. When the attack started, Israeli spotters were ignored. The Hannibal Directive was authorised multiple times that day - scores of Israelis were murdered by the IDF. Zaka spread disgusting lies about beheaded babies so they could pocket donations.

    So, she's not wrong. There is a context. But nowhere does she state that she supports Hamas.

    Of course, you want to believe that. You want to vilify a UN expert. Fine - go ahead. There's nothing against anyone embarrassing themselves.

    But how's this for a challenge - do the opposite for Ben-Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu and point out all their positive attributes. Hint - Ben-Gvir is a convicted terrorist and Netanyahu is an alleged War Criminsl, currently on trial for corruption. You'll struggle with those two at least. You won't get too much further with Smotrich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,151 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I believe earlier this year or late last year there was complaints that whenever a deal to release the hostages and end the fighting seemed close, whenever Hamas would agree to the israeli demands, Nethanyahu would just add more new demands. The israeli assassination of Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran was a clear sign they absolutely had no interest in any deal. You don't assassinate the people you're trying to negotiate with.

    I think its clear by now that israel views the current events as a once in a century opportunity. In the 1940s, they had the opportunity to invade Palestine and found a new state over the mass graves of the Palestinian inhabitants. Since then there has been a gradual slice by slice approach to expand that state. They now believe the propaganda around Oct 7th 2023 has given them another historical opportunity to complete the genocide of the Palestinians. They're not going to stop until they are stopped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭circadian


    The thread has instantly gotten multiples worse in the last few hours. Unreal amount of gaslighting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,869 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,151 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    It is public knowledge that the reason the israelis knew there was a tunnel network under the al-Shifa hospital in Gaza is because the israelis built those tunnels under the hospital in the 1980s.

    Why they built them? Ask them. But they did build them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Former Prime Minister Ehud Barak said earlier in the war that Israel had built tunnels when they governed Gaza before 2005. Some of these seem to have been in Al Shifra hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Those still arguing that there is no genocide in Gaza are becoming the significant minority.

    "It is the intended outcome of plans and policies that Israel has designed and implemented, over the past 22 months, to deliberately inflict on Palestinians in Gaza conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction - which is part and parcel of Israel's ongoing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza," Amnesty said.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,692 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The political wing of Hamas governed Gaza

    Israel are treating everyone who had any connection with Hamas as terrorists. Thats every civil servant, anyone who worked in hospitals, schools, water services, administration...

    Civilians being labeled terrorists and murdered along with their families and anyone standing near them.

    This is what you defend

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Yep, it's why they were able to justify murdering journalists and basically anyone. If a journalist gets any information, they are communicating with Hamas and then they kill them and their supporters think it's totally fine.

    Imagine the US at war and every government employee, their family members, and acquaintances etc. were treated as enemy combatants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Today's war crime. An Israeli drone strike hitting a 12 year old girl collecting water.

    https://x.com/adinitay/status/1957145356036087982

    Here's a suggested thread title

    "Israel - The path to **** Wasrael…"

    680 days (+ 77 years) of their genocide of the Palestinian people… Cunts..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Watched an interesting video last night of a commentator pointing out that anyone who describes themselves as Zionist or who defends Zionism or Israel will not be able portray themselves as 'liberal' or 'progressive' or 'democratic' in future. It's clearly a right wing, reactionary, destructive ideology with extreme violence at its core (not a surprise that most of its current cheerleaders in the West fall into that right wing and reactionary category).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I don't know much about that lady outside of a few interviews I have seen with her so haven't a clue about her being antisemetic, but what exactly is controversial about that comment above?

    Do you not see a difference between one who works in an administrative role in the Hamas run Gazan government; as a civil servant, a nurse, a doctor, a schoolteacher etc, vs a combatant in the military wing, which conducted terrorist acts such as October 7th?

    On the flipside, what do you deem a legitimate military target for Israel? Is a Gazan policeman a terrorist? An ambulance driver? They are all "employed" by Hamas, just like the terrorist combatants. That doesn't mean they are in anyway violent - they are doing important jobs in their society for the regime, rightly or wrongly, that governs them.

    We know Israel sees them all as targets - it has systematically murdered such people (and their families) over the last two years. As far as I know, no one has been prosecuted for any crimes against the killing of people in these professions. Do you agree with this?

    It looks to me like you read comments from people you disagree with, and your bias excludes you from understanding what they are saying. "Whether we like it or not" is mentioned there by her. That wouldn't indicate support to me. When she says not to only think of Hamas as cutthroats and fighters, she is acknowledging some of Hamas are that (as are some of the IDF evidently) and some are nowhere near that, just like an Israeli schoolteacher shouldn't be targeted because a soldier shoots a starving child dead whilst trying to access food.

    There is a military and administrative side to Hamas. Do you seriously not accept this? Saying it doesn't mean you support them or in any way agree with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    And in the West bank the land grab continues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭circadian


    Video on YouTube too


    But, you know, Francesca Albanese is an anti-semite for highlighting a litany of war crimes, human rights abuses and ethnic cleansing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Even the word 'terrorist' is problematic when we see that the occupying power (Israel) is using terrorism and widespread violence against the people they are oppressing. When we normally think of terrorism, we imagine an illegal group using violent tactics against a peaceful and law abiding country : in this case, Israel is clearly a violent, terrorist state breaking every international law in the book, which really muddies the waters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,601 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I started a thread about Israel starting a war but the title was changed to one about Hamas . Anyone watching BBC news to see Israeli " settlers " cutting down olive trees and burning houses and machinery. Pure fascist ethnocide by Israel under Benny. Anywhere else in the world and America would be in there like the FYR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,692 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Utterly depraved :(

    Absolutely heartbreaking. I have a 12 year old daughter. The thought of some scumbag pushing a button to launch a missile to murder her in this way makes me incredibly angry.

    Palestinians are people, these are children, no different to my little girl. Murdering them is monstrous and completely indefensible

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,367 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Yet they continue to do it, without any repercussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,692 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Zionism was a Christian fundamentalist project aimed at bringing about the literal apocalypse

    Zionists created Israel with a literal act of Genocide. They were evil from the very start, its just that they have been able to hide behind European guilt for not doing enough to stop the Holocaust.

    No national or supremacist ideology should be promoted nor does an ideology such as this have a 'right to exist'

    Nobody has a right to impose rule by themselves onto others. To humuliate, dominate and subjugate anyone who is not a part of the chosen nationality/religion/race.

    It was evil when Hitler did it, Evil when the colonists did it in north America, evil in Apartheid South Africa, and its evil when Zionists are trying to wipe out the natives in Palestine

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,681 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I haven't seen any pro-Israeli politicians apologise for anything. Some of them still calling for genocide and the entire takeover of Gaza. I wonder why that is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭purplesnack


    And the Palestinian journalists left behind will be targeted as members of Hamas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,681 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Yes indeed as its the Israeli way. Murder people and claim '' Hamas '' after. Great to see such an important organisation as Amnesty International call it as Genocide.

    https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/israel-opt-amnesty-research-shows-israel-committing-genocide-against-palestinians?utm_source=google&utm_medium=grant&utm_campaign=BRD_AWA_GEN_dynamic-search-ads&utm_content=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=1717255123&gbraid=0AAAAADvZPbJwMRkWt5HnQi8qIFLEjuTza&gclid=Cj0KCQjwnovFBhDnARIsAO4V7mDOVt_2rKiH5by0IYS-4jbjl_FcNUIwXd4tzTHo2RI7EDDRPc1wGcsaAiNQEALw_wcB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    She attempted to put Oct 7th "into context".

    That's just a mealy-mouthed way of saying "justified".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Why don't you provide a link to this well reasoned arguement by this neutral voice of reason?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    And your posts are mealy-mouthed ways of saying "I support Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I'm guessing the irony of this post is completely and utterly lost on you.



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