Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

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Are we sure people aren't applying for general CO and EO positions?

Absolutely nothing, most civil service threads get derailed by people giving out about performance and unions. It’s exhausting.

Back on topic. I’m hopeful that points will be removed for EO pay scales and removal of LSI. It would really benefit lower paid staff, especially in Dublin.

i really think they'll stick to flat payroll %. that was what the original building momentum agreement was.

the removal of points and LSIs and a flat 3.5% to LS2 rewards/punishes people based on random chance. especially post 2013 staff that will double jump increments thought maybe there is a good argument there for entry level staff retention

but 3% is clean and easy and nobody is going to complain huge amount about that

i'll be honest i didn't calculate any of it i just presumed it was more than 3% and that flat amounts would be more fair and workable. especially since the top end of the scale are expecting 3.5%

When we voted on this pay agreement, it was made clear by the unions that local hadnt been defined. Up to May this year the government departments refused to agree with unions what local encompassed.

They looked after new entrants a few years back by adding more points to the pay scales but also skipping a year at various points (think it was years 3 and 6 but I stand corrected)

What annoys me (and caused me to leave my union) was that there was no collective bargaining for staff who came in before the embargo who are essentially being punished for being promoted. I started as a CO in 2005, embargo kicked in a few years later. By the time I had first chance for promotion, I was one point off the top of what was the old CO scale. When I got promoted to ASO (post 2013) I ended up gaining extra hours (under Croke Park agreement) and hit the top of the scale within 1 year. Whilst waiting the 3 required years for LSI, I got promoted to SO and once again hit the top the scale.

It's ridiculous. Yes I'm lucky to have a permanent pensionable job but I feel that those who stuck it out in the crappy years are being forgotten about

SO hasn't been abolished in public service..

Apologies, I meant Haddington Road agreement where new entrants or those promoted post 2013, had to do a 37 hour week compared to those in situ prior to that date who were doing a 35 hour week. This was only rescinded in a later agreement (name escapes me)

Public wages

The pay packet going up

Might try it myself

See how I get on