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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    That's a good summary of how TII have approched this 'pilot-scheme' They speak with the council or local authority offering sums of money for ill-designed cycle infrastructure. The politicians claim they are bringing 'progress' and 'amenities' to the area but when valid objections are voiced, the politicians point to TII, who in turn say it's the politicians/council who are in charge , and the merry-go-round continues. It treats the public, including cyclists, with near-contempt.

    Meanwhile, actual cyclists and cycling groups are effectively ignored- the South Kildare 'pilot' project received a number of submissions and objections from individual cyclists as well as cycle sport groups, yet the construction began a number of days before the Kildare CC properly responded to these objections/submissions. They really don't give a hoot—



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭khamilton


    I've had really bad luck with submissions to my local council on active travel schemes. They never seem to take cyclist submissions into account, but do sometimes take motorists - which is doubly frustrating.

    SDCC have just finished yet another awful piece of active travel infrastructure on killininny road, that's actively useless while making cycling on the road more dangerous. Ignored all submissions on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Ditto

    Now in fairness its zero out of 2.

    But I was years on road construction and i jnow my recommendations would have cost nothing at design stage and were generally just moving kerbs or crossing positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,828 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Referring to the TII design doc (https://www.tii.ie/media/2lalnbms/dn-geo-03047-03.pdf) send the details of the schemes deviations from standard to both the TII and more importantly the NTA. Point out that this is a STANDARD not a guideline - it is something they MUST follow rather than just a useful reference to assist them.

    Ask both TII and NTA if a formal departure from standards was approved in this scheme. Also ask to see the road safety assessment which should have been conducted after the scheme. If you have any good local councillors (don't pick ones who just do the "culture wars" thing) send them the details and get them to ask questions. Also TD's can sometimes take interest in things like this and can send the question for you, but better to start with councillors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,828 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Yeah I've been through all that too. If you're able, just keep plugging away at it whenever you can, pointing out simple improvements or dangerous designs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    There's a new bike lane going in on the N24 roundabout about 3km east of Junction 10 on the M8.

    Lovely protected separated lane, until it gets to the busy local road L3109 serving Fethard, where it abruptly ends short of the junction.

    This retarded idea of bike lanes running to the side of our major roads needs to killed. Typically these will be exposed as fcuk, will be horrendous at every major junction and horrible to ride.

    Whatever about by passes around out towns and the like, if linking up our towns we need a bit of imagination and use our local road network it. Promote it, get it signposted properly, and strictly enforce the 60km/h speed limit using whatever is needed with fixed, average speed cameras etc.

    With ebikes, even non cyclist will handle the less even elevation profiles typical of our local roads.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's basic box ticking, they provide bike lanes on roads where it's easy to provide bike lanes - and which are also already safe to cycle for precisely the same reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    100% - that actually sums up a lot of my frustrations with cycle lanes in this country. The good ones (construction wise) are often hardly needed, and a lot of times just create new problems (such as shared space with pedestrians). Some of the most effective ones are simply lines painted on the road with appropriate signage to make it clear that cyclists have right of way in the circumstances you'd expect a vehicle in front/ to the left of you on the road to have.

    Anyway, I'll give myself high blood pressure if I think of cycle lanes for more than 2 minutes so I'll leave it there!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the oldest clear example i can think of of that is the road from kilshane cross to the end of the runway at dublin airport. they provided an off-road cycle lane on the (safe) straight wide bit, but the narrow twisty section was not touched.

    and they'd often have done hedge cutting over the off-road bike lane, leaving it covered in thorns.

    there's been at least one fatality on the narrow twisty section.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    for those who don't know the road - this is the straight section:

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4247552,-6.3102009,3a,75y,289.67h,82.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suVmsMxWQdVSHIKvwRa8xQA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.548751063861559%26panoid%3DuVmsMxWQdVSHIKvwRa8xQA%26yaw%3D289.66730633437083!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgxMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

    and this is the twisty section; these are only a few hundred metres apart.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4241778,-6.3184866,3a,75y,254.55h,78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_vsCjU6a22sb30R_T0PWXg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D12.004169416816296%26panoid%3D_vsCjU6a22sb30R_T0PWXg%26yaw%3D254.5536521782814!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgxMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    I'm always amazed at the decision to have the cycle path in Drumcondra, northbound, up beside the houses, forcing cyclists to yield to traffic that is cutting across them. Especially when there is so much room to come up with a better alternative solution.

    There are literally 5 of these junctions within 400m of each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    We have a strange habit of providing cycle lanes where they are least needed and not providing them where most needed.

    Can we stop using 'retarded' as a derogatory term please?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭hesker


    I suspect the reason for that is that the section of road with off road cycling path was a newly built road and most likely sufficient land was acquired at the time to build both. The old road used to go past Newtown Cottages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    It's this type of stuff that puts teens and less experienced cyclists at risk

    Cycle lane on old N1 at Colpe (ok i don't bother using it)
    Oh look a difficult to design roundabout bit. Just end the cycle lane and put the cyclists into a cycle lane that doesn't exist and a a lovely kerbed island to push cars in on top of it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭JMcL


    My favourite (not) is this delight on the N25/N11 roundabout at Wexford. Bear in mind this is the meeting point for ALL traffic coming to/from Rosslare Port:

    The lane on the left is technically a bike lane and its use is encouraged by this 5h!tshow about a kilometer before with traffic moving usually well in excess of the speed limit:

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    Fancy going north on the N11? Continue to the roundabout and the "bike lane" just chucks you straight onto a pinchpoint that's usually high speed bumper to bumper:



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i hadn't realised how recent that might have been - going by geohive, some time between 1996 and 2000?

    i also hadn't realised that there was what looks like a full size golf course to the south of that road till twenty something years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭khamilton


    What's hilarious is that scheme overall expects you to cross a busy road (twice) and then sends you into a weighbridge only to emerge out of a hedge on a sideroad here:

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    Not only was someone paid to come up with this, multiple levels of authority would have signed off on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭hesker


    Yeah it was an 18 hole pay and play course…always quite popular. Can’t recall the name now. Entrance was on the St Margaret’s side.Shame it’s gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    This is a good one I use a couple of times a week. All going well, you've cycled straight up past the Omni and are still alive, you've done well, now just follow this cyclepath straight out into motor traffic that's just starting accelerate up to next set of traffic lights.

    image.png

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3936843,-6.2458579,3a,75y,2.28h,60.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snFl_MbzSvzCf1W10A8JNHA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D29.37796974822013%26panoid%3DnFl_MbzSvzCf1W10A8JNHA%26yaw%3D2.2820340962820183!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgxMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

    Hell, get past that minor inconveniance and we'll give you three lanes to chose from as you approach said lights and if you somehow manage to pass that test and make it to next set of lights after and you fancy turning right towards Coolock… at this stage you probably think it's just safer to drive.

    the Drumcondra road northbound is a piece of cake when compared to Santry…other than that bridge after Fagan pub of course which is an actual death trap



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that whole road is a mess. visible under the taxi on the southbound side in your screenshot there - an arrow telling you the lane you're in is straight on.

    oh no it's not.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,276 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Bitter memories of ending up with fine and penalty points years ago as I ended up in a right turn lane that started like that and the Garda in the car behind me thought I was deliberately queue jumping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭JMcL


    that whole road is a mess. visible under the taxi on the southbound side in your screenshot there - an arrow telling you the lane you're in is straight on.

    oh no it's not.

    I find personally that Cork is particularly bad for that nonsense. I've driven enough there at this stage that I mostly know what to expect, but first few times in heavy traffic was nerve shredding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Galway too.

    Driving i often end in a lane that just changes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,276 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Dublin's also terrible. A few roads where you have to be in left lane to go straight on at one junction, then right lane for following junction then left lane again at the next. Fine if traffic is quiet and you can see the markings but absolute nerve shredder when there's traffic and the markings ahead are covered by traffic.

    One of the reasons why I'm happy on the times I have to wear my motorist hat that they've been removing traffic lanes in Dublin. Makes it a lot less stressful driving overall.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/mr-flashy-pal-fighting-life-32347994?int_source=nba

    that happened not too far from our house yesterday. was only a matter of time. thankfully it was a van involved and not a ped or cyclist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭MisterJinx


    I was wondering what it was, hadn't seen anything in the news until this post



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i walked past the location last night - based on the spray markings on the ground, it was at the junction of shanard avenue and collins avenue, rather than ballymun road and collins avenue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭MisterJinx


    Ipassed down ballymun road a couple of times and the incident looked up in that direction alright rather than at the junction



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Man In his 40s hospitalised following incident on Dublin's Con Colbert Rd...

    https://www.thejournal.ie/cyclist-hospitalised-after-being-hit-by-truck-in-dublin-8-6800707-Aug2025/

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