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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,094 ✭✭✭corkie


    I think that's too severe a filter.

    Edited: I didn't see the message before mine that you replied to, I think! Also tagged the wrong account!

    Post edited by corkie on

    #Aras25 | Have your say on the two linked polls? AH & CA
    "There will be a protest vote and absolutely people’s right to do that. There is no intention to take away that right or to stop it in any way." ~ Chair of the Electoral Commission Ms Justice Marie Baker
    "Níl mé toilteanach toil a thabhairt"! 24-09-2025 09:31PM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,000 ✭✭✭Feisar


    From memory a big part of the problem that caused the drop off was the length of the downtime. I was never a prolific poster however I'd say people who had been posting from their late teens and were then on the hop of forty had a break and just didn't take back up the habit.
    Plus the style of "debate" has changed. Back in the day a poster like @Wibbs would have argued the point and brought someone around to their POV, or not, however there was reasoned debate. These days a different POV is racist or a phobe of some description, it's tiring and not worth the effort.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,551 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think it was unusable and/or extremely irritating to use for quite a long time. People just gave up.

    I also agree that the discussions have changed as described.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Good luck with that while you still have a thread in CA "Hamas strike on Israel" after all that has happened and multiple suggestions to change it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,551 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Yeah not yours.

    Quoting randomly doesn't work so I give up trying to fix it my posts. Something to do with the refresh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,188 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Jeez never knew that .

    Have been trying to add in using my keyboard .

    Multiquote of posts is absent now without a lot of wheeling and dealing .

    Quoted posts end up bunched together at the top which means if more than one subject / poster can get very confusing .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,551 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The issue there is it really needed to be split into different stages of the conflict. It's all been mushed together as one event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,188 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I don't know how you missed all the threads that wouldn't move on / unbork with the blank pages going back maybe 8 to 19 pages ...the threads that bounce like a jack in the box when you click in and refresh with the elastic band pulling you back to one particular post on the page constantly , sometimes back 3 or pages at one point ...

    And many many more fun episodes 😁

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,551 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The navigation post migration was a disaster also.

    Sub forums were fragmented into too many sub forums, you couldn't find them, weren't allowed to post in the wrong one, killed the traffic to many of them.

    Imo that's another issue with CA and AH threads dominating the new posts page. It diverted attention from the other sub forums.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,094 ✭✭✭corkie


    First quote to show you can quote different people by adding text before hitting the quote another time!

    This post created on mobile!

    @Goldengirl

    #Aras25 | Have your say on the two linked polls? AH & CA
    "There will be a protest vote and absolutely people’s right to do that. There is no intention to take away that right or to stop it in any way." ~ Chair of the Electoral Commission Ms Justice Marie Baker
    "Níl mé toilteanach toil a thabhairt"! 24-09-2025 09:31PM



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 79,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Quote something, press enter twice to make room for your text, quote the next, etc.

    But yes, everything is more convoluted with Vanilla.

    Exactly. I now find that often, on desktop, after the first quote you're bounced back up... but that's for another day.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    From memory a big part of the problem that caused the drop off was the length of the downtime.

    I agree

    It was down for three weeks if I recall.

    And it started a few days before the (covid delayed) Euro 2020 final in July 2021, and the place was really hopping at the time because people were losing their s**t over the thought of England winning something.

    But we never got a chance to talk about the lead up, the final and it's aftermath here because the site went down a few days before the final.

    And when it came back soccer had to reside in Groups and not on the main feed.

    One thing I notice now is that threads last much longer.

    In CA the Hamas thread or Immigration thread are around for years.

    Previously there would have been enough traffic that you would have multiple threads talking about different aspects of a topic as the situation evolved over a number of years.

    It seems now that if one tries to open a thread for example discussing one aspect of the Isreal/Palestine conflict it's closed because "we already have a thread on that".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,094 ✭✭✭corkie


    @New Home Exactly. I now find that often, on desktop, after the first quote you're bounced back up... but that's for another day.

    Something else to add to my extension!

    Yes, you can prevent the page from jumping back up when you click that "Quote" button. This happens because the <a href="#">...</a> default behavior scrolls the page to the top when clicked, unless you explicitly prevent the default action.

    Preventing quote bounce below.

    #Aras25 | Have your say on the two linked polls? AH & CA
    "There will be a protest vote and absolutely people’s right to do that. There is no intention to take away that right or to stop it in any way." ~ Chair of the Electoral Commission Ms Justice Marie Baker
    "Níl mé toilteanach toil a thabhairt"! 24-09-2025 09:31PM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,551 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Is that Android or Apple.

    I find if I quote often it does nothing until I reload the page losing what I've typed. Then deleting a space deletes not the space but everything so I've to start over. I can't edit the quote but some of ye seem to be able.

    Other forums have select a line and quote it. So you don't get theses massive quotes.

    It's all really awkward and I lose the post a lot.

    It's not worked properly since the migration.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 79,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    On Android, using Firefox.

    You can't edit the quote. In fact, if the poster of the quoted post edits the original post, the quote will continue showing the old version of the post.

    And yes, it hasn't worked properly since Vanilla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,702 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That is an issue alright and it probably makes forums look stale to more casual visitors, with the same threads there forever - even if they're actually pretty active!

    The whole thing of trying to corral discussion into certain places and threads never really sat well with me. A certain Admin was notorious for it - especially when it came to feedback, or wider issues, or his (as I referred to it), cumbersome and unnecessary HR-style complaints process (it's only a bloody discussion forum FFS) - and really all it does is stifle the very thing this site can't survive without.. Discussion and engagement!

    So what if there's 2/3 threads on a topic discussing different angles? They will naturally ebb and flow and those that people aren't interested in will fade to the next page quickly enough.

    But that comes back to my often made point that there should be very little attempts to control these discussions - outside of things like illegality, blatant trolling (and everyone knows what that is and when it's happening so no need for ambiguity), or abusive behavior, most threads generally self moderate anyway.

    Even the more "controversial" ones are generally OK and would be even better if people (on all "sides") would just stop responding to those who wind them up. Stop taking the bait!

    Every effort should be made to encourage participation by mods, admins, and the site owners, not limiting it with unwelcoming warnings at the top of a thread, complaining about where something is posted etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,551 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I have seen quotes that have been edited. Never worked out how they do it.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 79,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    I'd be interested in seeing this because not even mod tools allow you to do that. Next time you find one could you please pm me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,551 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Imo Many threads look busy because it's the same handful of people spamming threads or arguing with each other. Everyone else gives up and leaves. If you ignore a few people the thread is empty.

    Maybe that perception is wrong and not controlling forums isn't having any effect on the numbers of people posting. For my part I avoid many threads and forums because imo they are full of noise and garbage there is no real discussion going on. I think a lot of it is just trolling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,094 ✭✭✭corkie


    Quote by @Frasier {15-08-2025 09:49PM}: - From memory a big part of the problem that caused the drop off was the length of the downtime. I was never a prolific poster however I'd say people who had been posting from their late teens and were then on the hop of forty had a break and just didn't take back up the habit.

    Just demonstrating how to achieve it!

    And below is how I did it!

    @Flinty997 @New Home

    Post edited by corkie on

    #Aras25 | Have your say on the two linked polls? AH & CA
    "There will be a protest vote and absolutely people’s right to do that. There is no intention to take away that right or to stop it in any way." ~ Chair of the Electoral Commission Ms Justice Marie Baker
    "Níl mé toilteanach toil a thabhairt"! 24-09-2025 09:31PM



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 79,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    That's fair enough, Corkie, if you pre-select part of the text you want to quote and tag in the poster, but what I meant was that once you quote an entire post, like I did with yours here (and you'll see how the format of a manual quote looks different from an "automated" one), you can't edit it, unlike what you could do in VBulletin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,275 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'All' the threads? I noticed one or two doing it and they were generally fixed.

    Not sure how I have avoided the 'bouncing' bar a bit of a skip up and down momentarily on my phone it isn't a huge issue here.

    Again what I am asking about is it completely over the top to claim the site became 'un-useable'.

    Clearly it didn't for many many people. Were the departed just too fussy, easily upset and overly expectant?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 79,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    "It didn't happen to me so everyone else must be exaggerating."

    Is that what you mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,275 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There were hundreds if not 1000's who continued to use the site. Therefore for 100's and 1000's the site did NOT become 'un-useable'.

    It does seem to me there is exaggerating going on.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 79,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,275 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't know, I was responding to the repeated, 'many left because vanilla left the site un-useable' comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭jj880


    Is there any way to get a notification when a specific user posts?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,094 ✭✭✭corkie


    Not by Boards system, and you could use an external third party scraping tool to check profile comments, but that maybe against TOS of the site?

    @New Home Aware of that and unfortunately vanilla doesn't have Rich Text Editor or Markdown available on here to be able to use '<blockquote>……</blockquote>'

    #Aras25 | Have your say on the two linked polls? AH & CA
    "There will be a protest vote and absolutely people’s right to do that. There is no intention to take away that right or to stop it in any way." ~ Chair of the Electoral Commission Ms Justice Marie Baker
    "Níl mé toilteanach toil a thabhairt"! 24-09-2025 09:31PM



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 79,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    If I'm using three of the private fora I follow as a rule of thumb:

    Forum 1 had 35 members, 16 haven't posted since Vanilla, another 8 have posted maybe twice, the rest post once or twice a week or once or twice a fortnight; before Vanilla there would be easily at least 50 posts a day, minimum.

    Forum 2 had 32 members, 2 died, 14 stopped posting since Vanilla, another 10 have posted maybe twice, the rest post once or twice a week or once or twice a fortnight; before Vanilla, again, there would be easily at least 50 posts a day, minimum.

    Forum 3 had 19 members, 7 stopped posting since Vanilla, 4 post sporadically (once or twice a year), the rest post about twice a week, maybe 5 times a fortnight.

    In the mainstream fora, like CVPL, there'd be close to 100 posts a day in the various threads - we'd be lucky to get a third of that, now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,275 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    But 1000's continue to use the site.

    What has happened clearly in those private fora is that users haven't given Vanilla a chance to bed in. That to me is being a bit intolerant of change. Folk who go off in an indignant huff are very hard to please and will tend to exaggeration to justify themselves. Best ignored tbh.
    Just saying, that would be life experience talking more than just about this site's users.



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