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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It's very relevant that Reddit shut this exact discussion down only in the last week .

    Yet it continues here .

    That was what @lmao10 was saying .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,807 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Thinking back to the time the little girl was attacked outside her school in Dublin. The media coverage and public outrage were very different then to what we saw then.

    Her mother a nurse, some people don't want an Indian nurse looking after them, bonkers stuff altogether!

    Chances are that neither attacker will see any jail time, the judges will hand out nice lenient sentences and the cops won't bother keeping an eye out anymore. Why would they when the judges, the justice minister and the commissioner are all just acting cowboys

    The problem is the cowboys, not the Indians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭conorhal


    That is only true to a certian extent, the missing peice of the puzzle (one I've long suspected) regards why abuse on such a massive scale managed to 'fly under the radar' is only just getting tentatively reported, it turns out that the grooming gangs were part of the establishment themselves:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/29/five-survivors-rotherham-grooming-gangs-claim-rape-police

    "Five women who were abused as children by Rotherham grooming gangs were also raped by police officers when they were as young as 12 years old, they have claimed.

    In one case a girl who reported the abuse after being put under pressure by the gang to have an illegal abortion was left “destroyed” when an officer who had allegedly raped her turned up to interview her, she told the BBC."

    So there you have it, a 'DEI push for a more representative police force' ended up with a bunch of Asian men and women in the police force and social work sphere who were themselves complicit in the abuse or worked to cover up for the abusers in an effort to protect 'their communities' reputation.
    I have no reason to believe that Ireland is any different to the UK (excepting the fact that we're usually about 20yrs behind them in repeating exactly the same mistakes) and we can expect no different results here. If we import the same culturally incompatible groups, and then put them in positions of power you can be sure that they will excercise their 'in-group preference' and a show a willingness to cover up crimes perpetrated by members of their own community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Article a couple of weeks back about those teenagers and no place to send them when sentenced so they get left out again ..how many times and how many years is this going on ?

    Maybe pressure from India , of all places , might make our government finally sort it .

    Teenagers ‘back on the tear’ within hours of court hearings amid lack of places at Oberstown

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2025/08/09/teenagers-back-on-the-tear-within-hours-of-court-hearings-amid-lack-of-places-at-oberstown/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Well you have to look at it through the lens of fundamentalists. Except their religion isn't Catholicism, it's secularism. The kind of mindset that wouldn't have been out of place being a daily communicant in 1950's Catholic Ireland, the kind of person who would have supported putting young women in Magdalene laundries, or whatever the modern secular example is.

    Ahh Marcos that's a stretch in fairness 😂 Catholicism and secularism aren't necessarily mutually exclusive ideas either - secularism is simply the idea of a separation of Church and State, and Ireland's been a secular State for some time now (since the fifth amendment in 1972). It's not a religion, though it can tend to suit religious organisations when they want the State to stay out of their affairs, and vice versa. The modern secular example though, is to argue that Islam is a threat to 'modern Western values', as though 'modern Western values' does not include freedom of religion.

    People like this are often scolds towards those who can't, or don't want to be quite as "pure" as them. So of course labelling others as far right/white supremacists/nazis/whateverthephobeofthedayis is actually par for the course, so I wouldn't take it personally. It just shows the paucity of their arguments, they have nothing else. Oh, they probably also complain about "othering" without any sense of irony.


    Oh come on, that's not irony. As you point out it's par for the course for people of a fundamentalist mindset to scold those who they believe aren't quite as 'pure' as them; that's why they bang on about immigrants (apart from the fact that immigrants are a much easier target than Irish people who dismiss them as nutters), and Irish people who don't agree with them are castigated as lefties who don't live here, because they see themselves as 'centrists'. I don't take it personally any more than I imagine they take it personally that I think they're nuttters who don't have a political principle between them, so even to suggest they're far right, is a stretch in itself.


    If you know that much, you do also know why the three reports were deleted, not twice, but once, because the department had no legal basis to process the personal data contained in the reports. Do you think a retired District Judge should have known about GDPR and it's relationship to the processing of personal data, and therefore could have chosen to resubmit the letter and attachments with personal data redacted? I think he could have done, but then Peadar would have had fcukall to complain about (I don't expect Peadar to understand GDPR, he's an idiot) -

    https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2023/september/tusla-files-flagged-by-judge-deleted-by-department

    Post edited by One eyed Jack on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No We are not behind in this unfortunately.

    This is as old as the hills. There has been grooming of young vulnerable girls and boys in this country going way back with rings of some quite senior people involved, all hushed up .

    We don't have to import abusers plenty here in this country .

    A lot is coming out now with more access to education and support services but it may never get to court , too long ago or victims terrified of losing jobs or being a whistleblower .

    What is interesting is how forensically they went after the grooming gangs in Rotherham etc when previous abuse allegations involving people high up in UK society have not been rigorously investigated ?

    "Ok so if you're rich and white. "

    On the other hand we do need to start deporting anybody who commits crimes in this country after being allowed to move here .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    I find it very difficult to take anything that poster claims seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭Quags


    According to the link on the Tusla thing, there was no was GDPR details on it. It says the children are anonymised in the reports so if this is true & anonymization means transforming personal data into a form where individuals are no longer identifiable and cannot be re-identified, then why delete the files?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭Quags


    I truly believe so for this:

    "Ok so if you're rich and white. "

    All the time we hear about stuff that went on for years and only came out in the last few years and most had money/connections

    Also realise its not really relevant to immigration chat but do think its a Rich/White thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I thought you were actually going to make a serious point there, but instead you come out with this crap?

    So there you have it, a 'DEI push for a more representative police force' ended up with a bunch of Asian men and women in the police force and social work sphere who were themselves complicit in the abuse or worked to cover up for the abusers in an effort to protect 'their communities' reputation.


    Instead of attempting to promote your own agenda, why not review the data that's actually available on the number of police officers in the UK accused, and convicted of sexual offences involving children?

    Dozens of police officers across the UK have been convicted of crimes including rape, sexual assault and sex offences against children in the three years since the murder of Sarah Everard, new data shows.

    Officers have also been convicted of assault, possession of indecent images, harassment and controlling and coercive behaviour since 3 March 2021 - the day Ms Everard was abducted, a Sky News investigation has found.

    Just 19 forces out of 48 provided details of officers convicted of crimes - with one alleged victim of abuse by a policeman saying the figures are likely to be "just scratching the surface".

    Data released by the 19 forces under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act shows that in the three years since Ms Everard's killing, at least 119 officers have been convicted of crimes.

    The actual number is likely to be much higher as most forces - including the Met Police - did not provide details of officers' convictions.

    At least 16 officers were convicted of assault or battery. Nine were convicted of rape or sexual assault, with one also convicted of attempted rape, the forces revealed.

    https://news.sky.com/story/dozens-of-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-including-rape-and-sexual-assault-since-sarah-everards-murder-13086063



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,112 ✭✭✭Cordell


    119 officers have been convicted of crimes. […] At least 16 officers were convicted of assault or battery. Nine were convicted of rape or sexual assault.

    Nine.

    Get serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    The article explains exactly why three of the four reports which were attached to the Judges correspondence were deleted:

    Confirming that the files have been deleted, the department said: “Following consideration of the department’s statutory responsibilities in relation to data protection, the department formed the view that it did not have a legal basis to process the personal data contained in three of those four reports, and those reports were subsequently deleted from the department’s records.

    “The department must discharge its statutory responsibilities under data-protection legislation in relation to the processing of personal information. While the department could not process three of the reports which were attached to the judge’s correspondence, the substantive issues to which the reports related were set out in the correspondence itself.”

    That's why I suggested the Judge could have re-submitted his correspondence with the personal data redacted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    That didn't take long -

    You’re a smart guy Cordell, if the crap you’re presenting as ‘data’ were presented to you, you’d immediately point out the obvious flaw in such poor methodology and analysis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It's relevance is to the statement made that we are 20 years behind and importing abusers !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,112 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes it didn't take long or any significant amount of brainpower to point out that 9 policepersons charged with various sex offences doesn't mean that there are no muslim grooming gangs in UK. Although we may be in for a surprise if we would also know their names…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭Quags




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    A certain proportion will be, yes, I would think same as any other , and the same rigour of investigation and conviction should be applied to all .

    By the way the post I replied to did infer that the problem was people of a certain colour and race

    "If we import the same culturally incompatible groups, and then put them in positions of power you can be sure that they will excercise their 'in-group preference' and a show a willingness to cover up crimes perpetrated by members of their own community."

    This obviously is skewed and does not take into account the very many previous organized abuses of vulnerable people that is already endemic in Western countries .

    Do wonder why those convicted migrants are not deported anymore ?

    Anyone know why ?

    Mond you if I had my way, all convicted sex abusers would be deported to some far flung hell hole be they migrant or not !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Sheesh, I'm not doing this again. It's very simple -

    • Data which you dismissed as dodgy was sourced from the UK Governments own task force which was set up to commission a report on sex crimes involving children in the UK.

    • You claimed that we all know who the majority of the perpetrators involved in grooming gangs are, to which I countered that we do not, as the data in the report suggested that though the majority (42%) were young white men, Asians were over-represented at 14%, and the data was based upon small and incomplete data sets. You're choosing to focus on that 14%.

    • Then conorhal posted the article about 5 police officers in the UK accused of sex crimes involving children and attempted to attribute that to DEI policies by way of suggesting that it was DEI policies are responsible for enabling child sex abusers to gain positions of authority where they could abuse children and protect their own communities. The article doesn't mention anything about the perpetrators ethnicity.

    • When I posted the article about 119 police officers in 3 years convicted of sex crimes (four were convicted of sex crimes involving children), you pointed out the 9 that were convicted of rape or sexual assault, and told me to get real. There was no suggestion whatsoever that the article was intended to prove there were no Muslim grooming gangs in the UK. It was to suggest that conorhal should review the actual data which is available (which the article points out is only scratching the surface) on the perpetrators of sex crimes within the police force in the UK. There are Muslim grooming gangs in the UK, and they should be treated in exactly the same way as anyone who is found guilty of committing sex crimes involving children are treated. Their ethnicity, their nationality, and even their names, are irrelevant, unless one wishes to use the issue of child sexual abuse as a political football to promote their own agenda against whomever or whatever group it is they wish to portray as being a threat to society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Sorry GG but I fail to see the equivalence

    If I was dismissing your points on the basis I was accusing you of being part of a coordinated far left conspiracy to target Boards.ie (as opposed to you merely disagreeing with me), then you’d have your equivalence

    But that’s not the case at all so… 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,773 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Mod Edit: Warned for discussion of matters before the courts

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Such good posts from you .

    Forensic and balanced .

    A pleasure to read .

    If on any other thread they would get multiple thanks .

    Here the one liners get that !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,223 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Mod edit: Warned for blatant homophobic posting - breach of site rules

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Popularity does not equate to validity. In most threads involving complex arguments there can be more than two opposing positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-walked-in-on-woman-while-she-was-in-bathroom-and-raped-her-in-bathtub-1788628.html

    No coverage RTE or any of the “Broadsheets” of this

    Quite odd given the very serious nature of the crime. I wonder why



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Of course I do ;)

    I don't seek thanks here to be clear , as the user base is heavily biased against anybody who disagree with the prevailing narrative .

    I was pointing out the quality more than anything else .

    As regards length of posts and detail I would say shorter one liners are more popular because easier to " digest "maybe for most .

    However it is a discussion forum so it is good to see some good quality discussion going on .

    There are posters here on all sides who prefer to use longer posts as well .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    We have discussed the differing publishing times between red tops , court finishing times and broadsheets before .

    I would be surprised if this wasn't in the next edition of the broadsheet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭archfi


    "Garda systems do not allow for easy recording of crime victims’ ethnicity. However, after combing through the data, they determined there had been no significant increase in Indians living in Ireland being so targeted.

    That has not been reflected in national and international headlines."

    Yes, attacks like these against anyone are reprehensible but their is no surge in anti-Indian attacks according to AGS statistics.

    Despite what tv, radio, newspapers, politicians and Indian Councils say and we should all know when there's a concerted clamour from the Estates, people who consider themselves educated ought to retain a jaundiced eye.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    FYI "Jaundiced eye" is used to describe a view influenced by negativity, bitterness, envy, or prejudice.

    Hopefully this does put the Indian community at ease.



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