Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

I think you missed my points. Kids like this are not angels who suddenly started attacking Indian people. But, in my experience of these scum, they will gravitate towards harassing/attacking people who look/sound different to them.

The teens took out a few years ago, remember when they kicked the woman and she fell in under the train, there was a lot of attacks at that time but I haven't heard much about teen gangs in the last few years. Maybe it is happening but not being reported in the media, or maybe some attacks aren't even being reported to AGS.

This is the thing - scums are gonna scum, it doesn’t require “radicalisation”

Same with the riots after the Parnell st child stabbing, yes there was a presence of far right dopes at the outset, but the main conflagration was simply opportunistic violence and destruction from the inner city scum looking to loot and wreck the place

It was a free for all for them

That whole cohort has been mollycoddled far too long - decades of unemployment and generational criminality in some families. Criticism of this lifestyle dismissed as “classism” or “punching down”

It’s ironic, the same bleeding hearts advocating for these types would get absolutely battered if they lived in those areas and would be horrified by the social/political views that are often prevalent in them. It’s very similar to the pro Islam LGBT people phenomenon.

You'd prob call me a bleeding heart type but I don't get battered and I live amongst the people you're talking about. My other half is as woke as they come and she's fine too. They're definitely more racist than most in the north inner city, I regularly see children shouting the N word at security guards and they didn't lick it off a stone. They hate anyone different so of course they're more likely to be racist and attack people of colour etc.

Well racism is just one of their many bigoted qualities. It's like saying some redneck trump supporter who hates blacks, gays, foreigners isn't actually racist he just hates everyone. Racism is part of their oeuvre.

Nah there's definitely a lot of hatred towards immigrants in certain communities as they think they get more free stuff than them, this manifests in attacks etc.

It’s ironic, the same bleeding hearts advocating for these types would get absolutely battered if they lived in those areas and would be horrified by the social/political views that are often prevalent in them. It’s very similar to the pro Islam LGBT people phenomenon.

Betraying your own prejudices there horse (or ignorance, or naïveté, suppose I could pick any number of reasons really which would explain why you believe what you do in spite of having no evidence to support it), because one of the reasons why these bleeding heart types tend to be, bleeding heart types, as you put it, is because many of them have grown up in areas of socioeconomic deprivation and are all too familiar with the social/political views in the areas they grew up in, and they’re familiar with the social/political views of people who imagine they’re better than everyone else 😏 There are also plenty like your good self who look down their noses at their neighbours, but those people exist in every neighbourhood, they’re really not unique to socioeconomically deprived areas or communities, they exist just as much in affluent areas and communities.

I dunno why you think they’d get battered in their own communities, there’s no evidence to support that claim either. In my experience, apart from the few outstanding examples who advocate for their communities, they are largely ignored by their communities, and largely ignored by everyone else too, which hasn’t deterred them at all from becoming involved in Irish politics and seeking changes in Government policy and Irish legislation in order to support their communities and bring about change that they want to see in Irish society.

Personally speaking, I don’t necessarily agree with or support everything they want to do (like drug reform for example), but I do support them advocating for more resources in their communities to tackle issues like housing, healthcare, education and employment for example. Two of those outstanding examples off the top of my head are Lynn Ruane and Eileen Flynn. Just in case your first thought is ‘Who?’ 😂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Ruane

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eileen_Flynn_%28politician%29

Neither antisocial behaviour nor crime is unique to any particular group or demographic or community or geographical area, whatever way you want to put it, wealth just buys a better class of scumbag is all, and there are plenty of those types in positions of power, influence and authority already, that they can portray anyone pulling them up on their bullshìt as a ‘bleeding heart’, and lads like yourself will lap it up and parrot it as though it were gospel. Dunno why, as you do enough complaining about politicians who didn’t grow up in socioeconomically deprived circumstances too, that I begin to wonder is it really everyone else, or is it just you? Obviously it’s not just you, there are plenty of posters in this discussion who will validate your feelings of needing to portray themselves as victims of the bleeding hearts club.

Yeah I agree but I do think there’s a bit of a “bigotry of low expectations” kind of thing going on with that cohort - as you say lots of them are blatantly racist and hateful towards anyone that isn’t them, this behaviour is tacitly accepted by the bleeding hearts in a kind of “sure you can’t expect them to know any better” way or is handwaved away “they don’t have the facilities”

I think it’s well past time society called a spade a spade and called out that kind of shite. Three generations on the dole is no excuse for that kind of behaviour. It’s just petty scummery and if it was middle class or private school fellas doing it they’d be (rightly) excoriated for it.

Net migration of 80,000 in the year up to April ‘24

~30,000 houses built in the same period

Already a huge surfeit of housing and then we add enough demand to wipe out any progress towards reducing that surfeit immediately

The numbers just don’t add up folks, this is not sustainable

I see youth unemployment went up over 12% last week, at the same time I see more and more indians etc working in low paid retail jobs.

Traditionally these same youths would maybe do a few years at retail before jumping into something else. They also would have had a good chance of moving out of the home place .

The odds are increasingly stacked again them.

So are all of these indians working in shops etc masters students? I could never understand how so many work in shops and garages etc now, surely you can't bring people in specifically to work low paid jobs like this?

If you’d actually read the criteria upon which the assessment was based, you’d have noticed -

I dunno why you think they’d get battered in their own communities, there’s no evidence to support that claim either. In my experience, apart from the few outstanding examples who advocate for their communities, they are largely ignored by their communities, and largely ignored by everyone else too, which hasn’t deterred them at all from becoming involved in Irish politics and seeking changes in Government policy and Irish legislation in order to support their communities and bring about change that they want to see in Irish society.

Personally speaking, I don’t necessarily agree with or support everything they want to do (like drug reform for example), but I do support them advocating for more resources in their communities to tackle issues like housing, healthcare, education and employment for example. Two of those outstanding examples off the top of my head are Lynn Ruane and Eileen Flynn. Just in case your first thought is ‘Who?’ 😂

I’m not generally impressed by bleeding heart types, but the suggestion that they’d be battered by people within their own communities or that they aren’t aware or would be shocked by social/political views in their own communities is based upon nothing more than Stephen’s own prejudices. I’m not averse to giving credit where it’s due, even if I don’t share their social/political views. Both I mentioned were off the top of my head, that’s all.

Spaniards are EU citizens though obviously. Are you saying you can import workers from India to work in a spar or circle K? I just assumed they were all masters students, but there must be thousands and thousands of master students in dublin.

Fintan having his very own Kelly Osbourne moment in the IT today

Classic O’Toole take - simplistic midwittery that allows him to virtue signal in the one go. Idiotic take.