Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Yea that's what im thinking now,could take me the best part of 30 finished bullocks to get 30 decent heifers

I don’t think you’d ever have a house and car like that from starting milking tbh- I was extremely lucky to inherit a top class herd of cows to start out with- tbh I nearly destroyed it by using Irish bulls but luckily we stopped at the right time

My father along with Whelans dad were responsible for setting up progressive genetics- dad was responsible for buying the international bulls in the 80-90s - only bought bulls from multiple generations of high fat and protein even thou we weren’t paid for it till years later

That’s the reason we will hit 3.80 protein this year at 9000 litres- the amount of people that hate us is unreal- so many people say it’s a myth and that’s probably why I share so much info freely

Anyway the auld lad hasn’t been on the farm since April and it’s only when he gone you appreciate how much he did

on another note first calve this evening- another Vader heifer heading to the parlour in the morning- she should have decent solids

definitely and will probably go housed full time when the robots arrive

Not enough profit in spring calving for me

Remember results from profit monitors show no difference in profit per litre by the 10% in either system whether be low medium or high input herd

The real difference is profit per cow which they won’t mention- low input herds 4000 litres could have 800 profit per cow which- medium input 6000 could have 1200 profit per cow but the high output herd 9000litre would have 1800 profit per cow

No let this sink in - each cow requires the same investment in infrastructure costs

Something that is also not talked about

You’re allowed to set snares for foxes, if a badger happens to get caught it’s very unfortunate and of course it should be set free, since a friend of mine started snaring and lamping / shooting foxes there is a nice increase in hares, rabbits and pheasants on his farm and very very little foxes and badgers left if any, a very lucky coincidence that the badgers also left when the foxes did.

As a fellow Winter milker are you not worried about mastitis with huge yields indoor? I know the robots milk 3 times a day and cluster flush but will that be enough? Will you have to move to sand beds in the future i wonder

The biggest problem we’ve had with mastitis in the last 10 years was with Irish breed bulls

but heh nobody wants to accept reality

Thr high yield herds are winning for now because of the milk price to feed ratio

Normally that doesn't,t last as production increases milk price comes down. Are times changing. Why isn't milk output increasing. Will it last.

ah you’ve realised but just like the profit monitor it’s not real data either

For real data everything needs to be considered

Cost of land each year

Total historical cost of infrastructure

Actuall realistic labour charges- using average industrial wage multiplied by the number of hours worked per week by everyone on the farm - even the kid that only stands in a cap

when all this are compiled maybe we could realistically see the profit on each farm

Ukraine war mainly imo. All commodities trade in lockstep. Disruption of Russia oil, one of biggest oil suppliers, continues to create uncertainty and supply fears inflating oil prices. So yeah the Ukraine war has helped along with too much money chasing too few goods following covid. Milk production has increased in US. Main Europe is so uncompetitive I doubt anyone is surprised supply isn't increasing. I'd guess we'll be going back to pre-2020 fairly soon.

you are some man to talk dung. One minute you’re telling us that there’s a difference of 1000€ per cow on systems to big up your own agenda again and when questioned on it you say it depends on the calculation of it 😂

I don’t fill out PM I use my own excel file and also what the accounts come back at.
I agree it’s pointless comparing figures unless Both ppl are comparing like for like, which is why I pulled you up on it for saying so.
Less than 1000 farmers fill out and epm and I’d say v very few of them are high input so why are you quoting such a figure?

wrong so wrong- if all systems have similar profit then use the same cent per litre for easiest of calculation

Not blowing my own system just highlighting the profitability of the high input system

Do you not think 20cpl is a fair comparison

Id reckon with big high yielding cows, the sand is alot easier on cows getting up and out of cubicles, have the double foam mattress here in one shed from easy-fix and you'd see the older heavier cows slipping a bit getting up trying to get grip if cubicle bed is damp/bit of sloppy stuff on it..

Cows bulling and related injuries would be my biggest worry re fully housed

Once a day.
Lime twice a week.
1 ton of straw does 250 cubicles.