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Dodgy number plates

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Is there a change in the law expected?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    According to that one RPU garda, yes, imminently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    In a car park, I asked a guy with 3D plates about them. He said toll cameras can't read them. ANPR cameras can, so AGS leave them alone.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Fairly illegible dodgy plate seen on a taxi this morning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Seems strange that toll road cameras can't read them and Garda cameras can, I'd say guy in the car park was talking ***



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,782 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Overhead cameras are at an angle, car mounted cameras aren't.

    The jutting out "gel" creates shadows and makes reading at any angle harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    The M50 toll has more than one camera as far as I know, and is capable of reading plates at an angle, I would also assume that any other barrier free toll roads in Ireland use the same tech…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,782 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The camera array on the M50 is all overhead.

    There are no other barrier free tolls.

    People only get these prat-plates (gel, or grey on grey) because they think it will evade some form of detection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Ya so if the Gel plates can be read by Garda and M50 cameras, I would also think they can be read by dashcams as the backing is still reflective and will make the numbers clearer..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,021 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Sounds like pure scutter out of him. If the toll cameras can't read them they have massive resources to make sure they rectify that and get their tolls and/or fines



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's been mentioned here before that a lot of toll cameras use infrared - because they have to be able to read unlit numbers at night - and that the raised numerals on some of these plates are made from black plastic which is transparent to IR; like what you'd see on a TV remote.

    so they're black to visible light, but not to IR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭JVince


    Toll well able to read 3d plates. Toll also has rear number plate cameras. Anything that is not read fully by camera is flagged for manual check where bother front and rear images can be checked. A manual check can also cross reference make/colour so that they can be near 100% sure



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119788134/#Comment_119788134

    "I design test systems for infrared cameras as party of my job. Speed cameras use Infrared cameras so as not to flash and blind drivers, so the cameras are sensitive to IR too.

    Some black plastics (cough 4D plates....) are almost totally transmissive to IR light, and would be very difficult to see with an IR camera. Think of the plastic front of a remote control. "



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    in case that doesn't load correctly, it's post number 31 on that thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,129 ✭✭✭creedp


    Surely someone on here has these 3D plates, given that they’re everywhere these days, and can confirm whether or not the M50 toll can read them? Purely for information purposes as I love paying the M50 toll🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    M50 cameras can still ID a car… it's happened already.... Photos can be zoomed into.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    At night, in the dark - how does a camera read a plate on a car, when the front of the car is unlit, and the back of the car is badly lit, and the car is moving at 100km/h?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    "Some 4D plates can also be described as ‘ghost’ plates where the characters are constructed from materials that are unable to be read by infrared Automatic Number Plate Recognition systems. "

    That's a quote from someone in the DoT in the UK.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/motoring/motoring-news/government-update-over-staggeringly-simple-31319098



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/comments/z3m2lh/4d_raised_plates_being_used_to_avoid_congestion/

    Some comments on that Reddit thread from people with '4d' plates that number plate recognition systems on car parks struggle with their plates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Fella in the carpark told me 3D plates can be read by M50… didn't ask him about the 4D but i'm sure it's the same..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,129 ✭✭✭creedp


    Whilst not a definitive position it might call into question some of the really definitive viewpoints that these are only used by criminal trying to avoid the law in some way. At least if they avoided the M50 toll the ROI would be pretty quick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Yea I think the whole 3/4D plates to avoid the law is a load of rubbish, any crim would be using cloned plates or a stolen car for that..and i'd rather see Garda resources chasing down criminals rather than some lad who wanted a set of nice plates on the car..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,952 ✭✭✭User1998


    Exactly this. Some people just fail to realise that there is a large enough cohort of people that enjoy modifying their car in some way or another to make it look different. It could be tinted windows, bodykits, exhausts, wind deflectors, wrapping chrome bits, removing badges etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,782 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Can you point out these "nice plates"? Cause grey on grey illegibles or lego-block gel plates aren't nice. They weren't designed to be. They're both exceptionally ugly and deliberately non-functional for their purpose.

    The point isn't that it's to disguise the car because it has been used in commission of a crime; it's to blur the edges (literally) and potentially not be identified by a speed camera / toll camera / dashcam if driving like as much of a muppet as the owner of such prat-plates is likely to do.

    Also, we now have two people claiming to have spoken to someone in a car park being treated as if they're authoritative sources!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,782 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And if any of those modifications make the car problematic on the road, they should be (and are) banned. Just like the prat-plates actually are illegal but have no effective enforcement outside of the NCT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    We all get it you don't like "Prat plates" that point you have made very very clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Speaking of dodgy;

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭9935452


    You will always have a certain percentage who would have them in the hope that they would stop them getting caught by the speeding vans or tolls. Because someone in a carpark told them it would work.

    People will do stupid things in the hope it stops them getting caught speeding and the likes. E

    Remember back in the day when CDs were meant to interfere with the guards speed gun. A lot of cars hung cds off their rear view windscreen at the time

    Remember the anti flash paint which was meant to oversaturated an image when there was a flash photo being taken. I bought a can of that years ago and everyone around wanted a go of it .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    The poor dears. We couldn't trample on their method of self expression by expecting them to have legible reg plates, could we?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,952 ✭✭✭User1998


    I don’t care about that. Just pointing out that generally people don’t fit them to evade cameras😂



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