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The Happy Pears twins

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭The Helpful Engineer


    I adore the Happy Pear pesto. The green and red pesto are both delicious and are the best I have ever had. Other than that I find their food abit bland and their fruit & veg shop is a joke compared to somewhere like Swans on the Green in Naas. But they are great at marketing and hats off to them for that, it's something other Irish business should learn from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,706 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Ready-made foods can still be organic. Those aren't mutually exclusive ideals. Organic just means it's made from natural ingredients without added preservatives, chemicals and colourings, and grown using natural fertilisers etc.

    If you cook/boil vegetables, blitz it all to make soup and put it in a container, it's still organic even if all that cooking & packaging was done on a large-scale factory production line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,348 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I am not saying they can't, but for me the list of ingredients would have to tell me their origin down at the very least the country of origin. Do you believe that these premade foods are made to the standards of the Happy Pear or they just use their name and image to market them?

    https://shop.supervalu.ie/sm/delivery/rsid/5550/product/the-happy-pear-chilli-korma-meal-pot-380-g-1856507000

    Coconut MILK (21%) [Coconut Extract, Water], Tomatoes (15%), Water, Carrots (9%), Yellow Split Peas (8%), Peas (8%), Onions, Red Peppers, Coconut Flakes, Spring Onion, Spices, Garlic Purée, Corn Starch, Ginger Purée, Rapeseed Oil, Agave Syrup, Desiccated Coconut, Salt, Red Chillies (0.4%), Coriander, Garlic Powder, MUSTARD

    Agave Syrup - South American, Irish honey could be used.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,459 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Guilty. I responded to your post which seems to have been far too much protest for you. Delicate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,459 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Why do you want the list of ingredients' country of origin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Because it tells me the source of the product, I try to buy local, I can't do that with read made foods, from an organic point of view it should be noted on the packaging that it comes from an Organic farm in New Zealand, I wouldn't buy because NZ is too far way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    seriously?

    Anyway they are made in a factory that uses meat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,706 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Honey is made by bees. Of course it's not vegan.

    And vegan products can still be made in a factory that uses meat so long as the machines are properly cleaned when switching from meat to vegan products. Same way with anything which may be considered an allergen (ie. some products not containing dairy or nuts may contain warnings that they are made in an environment which uses dairy or nuts).

    The simple fact is, for the variety and amount of products with The Happy Pear branding, it makes sense that not all of it is produced directly on their farm or with specifically their produce. It seems like this Ballymaguire Foods whole thing is producing meals for other companies rather than themselves (hence why so much of the stuff recalled was Dunnes/Tesco/Aldi/Centra own-brand items which are all produced by this company), and so the Happy Pear guys probably engaged this company to produce certain meals or whatever to their recipe/requirements and put them on shelves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    No matter how you put it the mass-production and mass-marketing of ready-meals foods is in no way organic or vegan, no matter how vegans want to spin it or organic people want to.

    The Happy Pear were ask if their name could be used as a brand on food, I doubt that they have anything to do with the production other than to have their name on it, and perhaps a contract that stipulates only vegan and organic food can be produced under the name. I doubt the happy pear have ever been to that factory.

    Honey is not Vegan, even if from a bee, I'd argue for any vegans that honey comes from an end product that doesn't harm the bees, but I am sure they have argument against.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Their argument against is that even high quality, conventional beehive honey is produced by bees for their own future food, and you're nicking it. Cheap honey (like would be used in a ready meal) is made by farmed bees being fed sugar syrup and the amount of deaths is huge and its pretty easy for vegans to use that position.

    If you really want to get in to an argument with a vegan about this sort of stuff, ask about almonds (farmed almonds use forced pollination, e.g. beehives of bees being made work over plants they'd probably avoid otherwise) and figs (figs from certain areas contain a dissolved dead wasp)!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,706 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    How do you think any and all vegan ready-meals get on supermarket shelves? They have to be mass produced. Even if the Happy Pear twins were making them in their own factory on their own land, they would be made on a production line. That is mass production.

    Ready-made meals are organic, if they are using totally organic ingredients and farming practices.

    And honey is considered vegan due to the farming and exploitation of bees, the environmental impact, and given that honey is produced by bees, for bees.

    https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/why-go-vegan/honey-industry

    As for whether or not the Happy Pear twins ever visited the factory, or if they approached Ballymaguire to make their foods or if Ballymaguire approached them and offered to make food for their branding, I have no idea. But again, with the amount of their products in stores, they would have to be mass produced somewhere. That doesn't mean they're no longer vegan or organic just because a different company makes them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You don't really get what I am saying.

    The Happy Pear have licensed their name for these product, they have little to nothing to do with their production beyond what they are willing to have on the product labels as the happy pear, as I say the licensing agreement possibly states only organic and only vegan (are they vegan?).

    As I say I have no problem with the mass-production of ready made meals (I tend not to buy them, save for a frozen pizza, which I am sure isn't massively produced in Ireland or in the EU, but its a rare occasion that I buy one).

    My issue is that The Happy Pear are in some way suggesting wholesomeness. I think overall it is a myth and purely a marketing ploy. I'd go as far as to say neither have ever eaten their ready made food.

    I must check out that vegan article by some vegans, I am sure it is very interesting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,459 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I didn't think they claimed to use all Irish ingredients. Is this something you think should be next to all ingredients on all packaging or just their products?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭fits


    ”they have little to nothing to do with their production beyond what they are willing to have on the product labels as the happy pear,”


    that’s not how this works. They would have come up with the idea and recipe and then worked with the manufacturer to find a formula that works. It’s pretty much how the vast majority of food is produced. Even the small producer stuff.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    On all products. I think it says made in Ireland. I don't think they have to say anything about the origins of any of the products used in the ready made food.

    I could be wrong but I think if a ready made product is imported but package in Ireland it can say Made in Ireland.

    Really? I'd be very surprised if the marketing people in the food company ask them we have a new product that would suit your products could we us your brand? Happy Pear look at the product and say yes or no? Why should they have to come up with the idea or recipe?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Ireland is one of the largest producers of frozen pizza in the world - Goodfella in Naas is the largest or second largest factory globally I believe. Germany is another huge producer. So yes, it's made extensively in the EU; and the biggest non-EU producers wouldn't really sell to Europe anyway.

    Ireland is a huge, huge producer of processed foods (and processed ingredients) of all kinds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Of course the happy pair twins invented the recipes but once production goes into a large production kitchen the product is lost imo. There is no guarantee that the receipe is being followed by the production company or that the best or organic ingredients is used. I would think most products marked as organic produced in an industrial kitchen do not contain organic ingredients.

    The customer is being fooled and paying a premium for a product that is far from as described.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,012 ✭✭✭Sugarlumps


    Regarding the pesto’s I’ve tried them and they were tasty. Started making my own without the lashing of parmesan/more garlic and chili flakes. Literally takes a couple of minutes to knock up a batch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    If it says 'organic,' then it must legally contain organic ingredients. It's strange how organic works on people's perception of where the ingredients come from. There are large industrial organic farms the same as other non-organic farms; it's a business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,944 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The whole 'organic' thing is a scam, food is food, it's just playing on uneducated people's fears.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,351 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    There's no parmesan in the HP pesto, it's vegan???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭Deeec


    You are very naive if you think that something that says it's organic is definitely organic. The only way to be sure its organic is to grow it yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Parmesan isn't even vegetarian as it cannot be made without using rennet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,706 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I assume they meant after having the Happy Pear pesto, they decided to make their own, but the one they made themselves had parmesan in it (which I think is generally a common ingredient in it anyway unless you are specifically making a vegan version).

    Edit:Sorry, re-read their post and they say they made it without the lashing of parmesan. So maybe just meant they got a normal non-vegan recipe and didn't put in any parmesan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,477 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Can't stand them and would have no interest in eating the majority of their produce but their pestos are genuinely lovely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Look I will say it now …

    The Happy Pear would happily launch a vegan Happy Pear burger for McDonald's.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,012 ✭✭✭Sugarlumps


    I'm aware of that, had to teach myself how to make it. Youtube recipes were off putting as they used a wall of parmesan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Organic food is next to a scam, but food production and labeling is fairly robust in Ireland.



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