Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Have no intention replying further to a poster who treats my posts with such disdain when they say they don't even understand the basic titles of those working in our health service . Not sure if you are just taking the proverbial at this stage. so Google is your friend ...

" In the 1950s and onward, Ireland experienced a significant increase in the proportion of foreign-trained doctors working in the country, particularly from outside the EU. This trend reflected both a demand for medical professionals and a long-standing pattern of Irish doctors emigrating, leading to a reliance on internationally trained doctors to fill gaps in the healthcare system. "

I found myself agreeing with a lot of this post without the right / left drama but am unable to quote it in full for some reason . It was posted by Bloopy at 11.44 am today.

"The HSE is not hiring people from outside the EU because they are some sort of philanthropic organisation, just trying to make the world a better place for people from.poor countries. They are doing it because of cheaper labour and a likely higher tolerance of reduced working conditions.

Workers from the country are more likely to have a support network of extended family and friends, than someone hired on a temporary contract. They are more likely to demand industrial action to change perceived poor working conditions. This is a potential headache for the HSE, or any other business."

Good post from @bloopy who I suspect does not agree with me , but the funny thing is we are both in agreement here !

The reason that medical migration has continued apace in this country into the 21st century is because filling the gaps in our health service with health professionals from further afield who are looking for western hospital experience as well as better pay here, (no , its incorrect to say they are cheaper . pay is the same no matter the nationality in the HSE ) but it is easier than sorting homegrown doctors' and nurses' demands for better working conditions , better hours , and solving the long term problems of retention.

You are right that successive governments have defaulted to this model especially since the 00s and post crash where some of the Haddington Road emergency measures which drove health professionals away , are only being slowly rolled back on now 15 years later ..because its easier to fill gaps than reform .

https://human-resources-health.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1478-4491-11-63

But as I said before I think the discussion of foreign doctors, nurses, IT workers , while obviously an annoyance to people because of our housing crisis , is misguided.

These people are in demand in any EU countries, work hard , pay taxes and are generally less of a drain on our society and economy than asylum seekers . The opposite in fact . As regards medical professionals we clearly cannot run a functioning health service without them .

In fact the original comment by some very misled person a couple of days ago , was that we could function without them and had done before , is clearly nonsense.

We could…with a lot of changes and reforms, and by changing the emphasis of our training of doctors and nurses to one which doesn't encourage them to seek experience abroad....in another world maybe ☺️

I wonder what it's like to live in the UK atm where their MSM actually reports on the immigration issue - It must be nice knowing that your media hasn't been bought by the Govt with your own money.

To sum that up -

Govt statement:

'We are going to use your money to buy-off the media who will then basically either gaslight you (blame you for being racist), selectively report on certain aspects that favour us [the Govt], ignore any issues that may have stemmed from the increase in population, ignore/minimise reporting on crimes committed by our new residents, highlight any cases of people charged with offences committed objecting to this influx of people and the detrimental effect this has on the native Irish population - We strongly advise you to purchase a TV licence asap, it's the law'

End

If I could put a little bit of meat on that bone. Late last year I was listening to a political panel on a radio show - One of the guests said (paraphrased) '…sure the government have the media bought in this country…' - This guest was a former TD and MoS in the tiger years

I wasn't in a position to root about and grab/capture a copy of this at the time. I did search for it about 50 mins later but it had already hit the cutting room floor and was nowhere to be found.

I can tell you the - day/date/time/station/show/host/people in the studio with former TD etc -

It was said - I did hear it

If there is a website that archives radio programmes as they were broadcast at the time, I will find the comment - I can't find such a site so putting it out there for help with that one

I was not surprised with what the ex TD said, more the fact that they said it live on-air. I've known about the control the Govt has had of media for years (it's visible from space ffs) and it is destroying this country

A few things the MSM (mainly RTE as they are the news source of choice for many of our rural population) have failed to report on adequately -

The recent ESRI report indicating that the health service of the nation will be in crisis/meltdown within 15 years due to population increases and aging - RTE: Nothing

The recent ECJ decision that found that we were being very bold and that asylum seekers can sue the hole off us for not giving them adequate accommodation - RTE: Nothing

The lovely rapey Randi Gladstone that we had the pleasure of welcoming to our little island - A cursory glance at ol Randi's form (which I did at the time) shows him up to be a real player - Not only with his rapey history in the UK but his attempt to defraud his own country of millions of $'s

Several clerks of the Guyana Revenue Authority (GRA) were today charged in relation to the $19.4M fraud involving forged cheques which were cashed at the Guyana Bank for Trade and Industry (GBTI).

Those charged are GRA staffers Ivor Dowridge, 26, of Cummings Lodge, Georgetown; Tooqwan Clarke, 25, of West Ruimveldt, Georgetown; Randi Gladstone, 38; and accountant Leroy Green, 26, of Kitty, Georgetown.

Nobody in the media decided to check out Randi and ask - why was he here, was he in IPAS, was he on holiday, how did he get into the country so easily? etc etc

RTE: Yeah he raped someone, we did a basic report on it, so let's move on - nothing to see here

There's also the case of Brenda Emmanuel that RTE omitted to report on. Nothing at all. Imagine if Brenda's story was true the reportage we'd see from Montrosia - It would've been on CB, drivetime and the rest

Good to see the IT didn't paywall that 'leave to remain figs down' article - It's like someone somewhere wanted as many people as possible to see it