Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123699990#Comment_123699990

Yeah those leaflets dreadful isn't it. Sounds like you wouldn't need much encouragement to don the white robes and sort them.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700485#Comment_123700485

Resorting to "yer ma" on boards.ie... Tell me you've lost the argument without telling me you've lost the argument.

emo72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700485#Comment_123700485

Very horrible statement. A generation of adults stuck living with parents because of this governments policies of we need to house the world.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700106#Comment_123700106

You're not exactly helping your argument when you follow up your first paragraph with 'I live in Kerry', the county that depends on selling an image of Ireland to tourists exactly as you describe it in your first paragraph. I travelled the length and breadth of Ireland on the Bord Na Móna railways as a child with my old man, they're gone now, and modern Irish society isn't dependent upon turf in the way it once was. It's the tourism industry in Kerry that wants to maintain an image of traditional old Ireland that has been told to generations of tourists by their parents and grandparents, so it's a bit of a culture shock when they arrive here too expecting to see Irish twee and being faced with an Ireland that's nothing like what they were told.

I don't think they're there to work in UHK (I can understand given the county's image of agriculture and farming, they wouldn't want to name it UHT, or MTU isn't called TIT 😏), but there is plenty more to do in Kerry besides immigrant spotting and tourism, there's plenty of industries in Kerry too that aren't dependent on tourism, and plenty of good reasons to live there besides the only reason for its existence being as a tourist destination. More people than yourself actually live there too -

According to the latest Daft House Price Report for Q1, 2023, the average Irish house price was €308,497, whereas the average price of a house in Kerry was €252,392.  If choosing to rent a home, you also get to keep more money in your pocket, or spend it as you see fit, as according to Daft’s Rental Price Report Q1, 2023, residents in Kerry can expect to spend an average €1,252 in monthly rent, which compares to a national average of €1,750.

Kerry - Western Development Commission

Michael Healy-Rae is going to ensure it stays that way too -

“People involved in catering short-term, people who have farmhouses that they've rented out or flats that they've rented out on a short-term basis, they didn't create the housing crisis in Ireland. Neither are they the solution to it.

“If you're the person who is presently at short-term accommodation, they shouldn't be hounded out of that business. No way in the world. Those people should be allowed to continue what they've been doing in the past.

“What I would agree 100% with is if a person buys a property that's for sale now in a city or indeed anywhere and it's been used in long-term residential accommodation, you should be made go through rigours and procedures if you want to change that. 

People renting out short-term lets 'cannot be hounded out of business', says minister

Sure they're a great bunch of lads -

A property management firm owned by Minister for State at the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (DAFM) and farmer, Michael Healy-Rae, linked to the Kerry TD’s Rosemont guesthouse accommodating Ukrainians, recorded post-tax profits of €465,860 in 2023.

Separate accounts filed earlier this year by Minister Healy-Rae’s plant hire firm, Roughty Plant Hire Ltd., show that its accumulated profits increased by €74,887 from €734,024 to €808,911 in the 12 months to the end of April 2024.

Separate accounts for another Michael Healy-Rae firm which operates a fuel station and grocery shop in Kilgarvan show that it recorded post-tax losses of €26,986 last year.

E465k Post Tax Profit for Healy Rae Firm in 2023 | Agriland

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700497#Comment_123700497

Strawman on strawman, I’m not the slightest bit “terrified” of migrants, can find numerous numerous numerous (even within the last few pages) of examples of me saying I think immigrants are a benefit to Ireland

And as for talking about me being in a bubble, from the lad that tries to deny there’s a housing crisis in Ireland? You’re hilarious

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700485#Comment_123700485

You’ve nothing to say for yourself in response so you go to insult the lad instead, and then, most fittingly, your go-to slag is that he lives with his parents - something that a huge number of adults in Ireland are sadly forced into, due to the housing crisis which is being exacerbated by mass migration

You’ve show yourself both ignorant and wholly out of touch in the one go, bravo 👏🏼

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700596#Comment_123700596

The ideology which is being used to push this policy is remarkably classist. This can be seen over on reddit in particular, and in here (dare I mention the commentary on travellers from few weeks back).

If you consider that it is an iideology used for corporate gain, then it makes a little sense. The working class and the poor are not as valuable as an economic unit - not as a source of cheaper labour, nor as a source of spending power.

They can be safely mocked or derided. If they leave (or can afford to leave) for better climes, then all the better as they will not be a potential drain on future finances.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700575#Comment_123700575

Strawman on strawman, I’m not the slightest bit “terrified” of migrants, can find numerous numerous numerous (even within the last few pages) of examples of me saying I think immigrants are a benefit to Ireland 

I know, and there’s pages more of you trying to portray immigrants as a threat, and I haven’t forgotten either how you claimed that your family and friends had all suffered because of immigrants.

And as for talking about me being in a bubble, from the lad that tries to deny there’s a housing crisis in Ireland? You’re hilarious

It’s not living in a bubble to say that your claims of a housing crisis have been greatly exaggerated. I don’t know whether it’s because you don’t know what the word crisis actually means, or if it’s just an attempt at scaremongering on your part when there are immigrants living in tents and being denied even the most basic accommodation, yet you imagine they’re a threat to the Irish property market? I’m not going to make fun of you for it though, I don’t think it’s right to laugh at that sort of nonsense.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700596#Comment_123700596

Will you grow up . I don't know one,not one, eager prepared to get stuck in and work young guy who feels forced to live at home with his parents. I do however know some who do live at home still and blame foreigners, the government, the State, the Man, somebody else, for their miserable outlook on life. Like I say grow up ,get a job there were never as many out there and embrace life and don't be wallowing in self pity!

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700687#Comment_123700687

I never once said my friends and family “suffered because of immigrants” that is a flat out lie

You do live in a bubble Jack, and not even in this country at that

To be honest dealing with you is a total waste of time - you’ve proven umpteen times you don’t know what you’re talking about, you don’t even live here or experience anything being discussed, all while displaying a contempt for Irish people in the process

Now you’re putting your own lying spin on things I haven’t said

I’m not wasting my time sifting through your rubbish to give responses in good faith anymore after your cheap attempt to put your dishonest words in my mouth

Seeya

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700811#Comment_123700811

Typical “Pull yourself up by your bootstraps” had-it-easy boomer rubbish

You are totally out of touch - are you saying that your nasty little description applies to the majority of young adults today?

https://www.thejournal.ie/most-25-year-olds-still-living-at-home-with-parents-or-in-local-area-6606062-Jan2025/

And separately I’ll say you don’t know a thing about me.
I have a very good job thank you very much - and regardless my personal circumstances are totally irrelevant to the topic.
You’ve once again shown yourself incapable of debating the facets of that topic, your only resort is to personalise things, the same as that other fella in here that always ends up resorting to ad homina because they can’t verbalise any points

Perhaps you’re the one that should “grow up”

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700517#Comment_123700517

My ma's box room and the kkk. Oh dear, if you call me a Nazi also Dan I promise I'll respond with something that'll be enough to get me banned. Til then I ain't biting!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700869#Comment_123700869

Again, those statistics are obviously very negative for young people, but obviously very few 25 year olds make policy.

Ireland desperately needs far lower levels of immigration. Any one with a brain who sees the figures knows that.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700497#Comment_123700497

'because most people in Ireland don't feel it affects them in any way, shape or form'

most people in Ireland don't feel immigration affects them according to you Jack.

Be sure to let parents who can't find school places for their kids next month your findings, students who can't find accommodation, no creche places, doctors, dentists taking on patients. Nowhere to rent etc etc. no sewerage, water, esb for new builds.

I suggest the Irish times new to the parish articles to keep you abreast on immigration to Ireland!

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700935#Comment_123700935

Relax son i don't believe in bans or mods for that matter.let it flow i say and if the shrinking violets get upset so what. They're going to what,sue? I doubt it.

Mod: Threadban issued for trolling

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700823#Comment_123700823

I never once said my friends and family “suffered because of immigrants” that is a flat out lie

Not to quote you out of context or anything, but it seems you can't even remember your own nonsense -

And I’m not suggesting immigrants are the root of all woes - that’s a dishonest misrepresentation. Read back through my posts and you will see I consistently acknowledge the benefits of immigration to the country. I most certainly do not want to stop immigration, I do want to temporarily stem the inward flow however, until our infrastructure can catch up to where it needs to be.

And I honestly don’t give two shíts if you try and cynically frame my concern for the younger generation of Ireland as simply being anti immigration. I’m 29 and I’m seeing first hand the difficulties many of my friends and family are experiencing with the housing and related crises.

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You do live in a bubble Jack, and not even in this country at that

To be honest dealing with you is a total waste of time - you’ve proven umpteen times you don’t know what you’re talking about, you don’t even live here or experience anything being discussed, all while displaying a contempt for Irish people in the process

Now you’re putting your own lying spin on things I haven’t said

I’m not wasting my time sifting through your rubbish to give responses in good faith anymore after your cheap attempt to put your dishonest words in my mouth

Stephen you wouldn't know good faith if she were lying naked in the bed next to you. Your responses so far when they haven't been attempting to handwave away any point I've made, have amounted to telling me I don't live here and now I'm putting my own lying spin on things when I'm able to remind you exactly of the point where you chose to inform me about your friends and family suffering, because of immigrants. It's why you want to stem the inward flow, isn't it? I don't think that's an unreasonable interpretation, without any need to extrapolate out from that your 'concern for the younger generation of Ireland'. The younger generation of Ireland are doing just fine for themselves too, without your concern. Your concern doesn't pay for anything, it's entirely of no value whatsoever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700869#Comment_123700869

And separately I’ll say you don’t know a thing about me.

I have a very good job thank you very much - and regardless my personal circumstances are totally irrelevant to the topic.

It's a shame you think that the standards which you apply to yourself, don't also apply to other people. My personal circumstances are totally irrelevant to the topic too, so whether or not I live in Ireland is irrelevant. That's your standards btw, not mine. I don't want to know a thing about you.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123699922#Comment_123699922

Again you are either just mistaken or trying to cause an argument .Go back and check my posts . I never said that the majority of our doctors were foreign !

I said there have been foreign medics working here as NCHDs since the 1959s to replace those Irish medics who emigrate .

Never mind my observational skills .

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123697184#Comment_123697184

Here you are stating exactly that.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123701243#Comment_123701243

Sorry where’s the bit where I said my friends and family “suffered because of immigrants”?

Oh right yeah it’s not there, because I never said that. You had to make that part up.

That’s the last of your rambling, dishonest posts I’ll ever be replying to

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123701368#Comment_123701368

Do you know the difference between NCHDs and doctors in general ?

Obviously not .

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123701453#Comment_123701453

No, please tell me?

sekiro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123699474#Comment_123699474

I think it is relevant, Jack.

You are posting quite a lot here and obviously investing significant time and effort into your posts but you don't even live in Ireland?

Obviously locals will care passionately about their country and will have strong opinions about issues that affect the present and future situations here. Your obsession just seems to be with invalidating those concerns at best and implying racism at worst. However, you don't have any stake in what happens to Ireland so I don't get the time and effort you are spending on this?

What's your angle here?

sekiro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123699401#Comment_123699401

This does seem to be a big part of Ireland's issues in general.

People who are disconnected from the problems we face, who will never really need to face the negative consequences of bad government policy, who basically want to just tell us to grin and bear it.

Sure, aren't we all just racist so and so's living in our ma's boxroom?

Repro212

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123701735#Comment_123701735

"What's your angle here?"

……choking the thread.

Geuze

I am sorry to say this, but I see no sign within Govt of much appetite to do the following:

(1) send any of the 110,000 UKR refugees home when the war ends

(2) remove any of the 160,000+ bogus AS, or reduce the flows of new arrivals of AS

(3) reduce the flows of programme refugees (the numbers are small here anyways)

(4) reduce the flows of non-EU working visas

(5) reduce the flows of non-EU student visas

Therefore, I can see no end to the housing crisis, or to the massive costs imposed on the taxpayers by the AS and the UKR refugees.

I can't see the rise of any political force or new party ready to change anything.

There are simply too many people who will continue to vote FF and FG for various reasons (well intentioned and not), so that I can't see any change.

SF/Labour/GP/SD would make things even worse.

I hope that I'm wrong, but I feel my children will never be able to buy a house.

We will be okay, probably due to inheritances, thanks to hard-working parents, but many are not that lucky.

I often wonder why there aren't more protests about the housing crisis, I suppose the answer is that a majority are grand, it affects just a minority, but very sharply.

It gets me down sometimes.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123701420#Comment_123701420

I already pointed it out to you in your post. I said it's not an unreasonable interpretation given you want to stop the inflow of immigrants, until our infrastructure catches up to where it needs to be, and you've seen your first-hand the difficulties your friends and family are experiencing with housing and various crises. Stopping the flow of immigrants appears to be your way of suggesting that would ease the difficulties your friends and family are experiencing. I can tell you now for a fact that it wouldn't, it was tried when you were about 10 years of age, with the 27th amendment, and immigration has only increased since then. The same effect of increased immigration has been observed in the UK post-Brexit. Were I to imagine you give a shít, I'd post the same observations of other countries which have tried to stop immigration (though not because they wanted infrastructure to catch up, it was just because they imagined it would be popular with the electorate).

You appear to be wanting to be treated like a child given you imagine that in a country with a population of 5 Billion people, and a thriving asylum provision services industry, and a thriving economy really (by all measures of well-being among the population, we're actually doing pretty well compared to other EU Member States), is going to stop growing and risk becoming stagnant because everyone needs to drop what they're doing and wait for you and yours to catch up? You're accusing me Stephen of living in a bubble, you accuse me of being arrogant, yet you imagine that Irish society is going to stop because you're not ready, because of your concern for the younger generation? I think you have a point in so far as there are more young people choosing to stay at home than there were in previous generations. I think your point falls flat on it's arse though when it's quite obvious they have the means to move out if they wanted to -

The median weekly income from employment for the participants was €558 in 2022. 73.2% are saving on a regular basis. Over one-third (34.2%) said they had difficulties making ends meet.

€558 a week is not pocket-change in any mans language, regardless of how you might claim 'I didn't say this, you lie', etc, it's plenty more than previous generations would have had when they moved out of home and worked to save up for a deposit for a mortgage while renting, or remortgaged the home property with their parents and inherited the property upon their death, or numerous other ways in which young people got on the property ladder. At some point you're going to have to face the fact that Irish people are paying much less in housing costs than their European counterparts, while at the same time acknowledging the fact that their choice to live at home is not conducive to forming a relationship that would make being able to afford a property a much less burdensome task when the load is shared between two people (or more, if you're into that sort of thing).

Because one thing is for certain, your ideas of having Government change immigration policy and stopping immigrants coming here until you're ready to join the world of having to at least behave like you're an adult, is not going to happen, ever.

Trigger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123700977#Comment_123700977

Mod: Enough of your trolling. Do not post in this thread again

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123701735#Comment_123701735

You are posting quite a lot here and obviously investing significant time and effort into your posts but you don't even live in Ireland?

Who said I don't live in Ireland? I said to another poster it's absolutely none of their business, which it isn't.

I'm really not investing that much time nor effort at all, and when I have better things to be doing I'll be doing those things, without making any big announcements about it.

I've not invalidated anyone's concerns, I have pointed out that their concerns are of no value, because they aren't, because concerns don't pay for anything. But because it's a discussion, that's what we do, whereas if all you want is an echo chamber, there's other platforms willing to accommodate that sort of behaviour.

My angle couldn't be clearer - I'm perfectly entitled to discuss topics which interest me without having to prostrate myself before any other poster here as though my personal circumstances are any of their business, let alone anything to do with the discussion. I don't ask the personal circumstances of anyone else here, it's not unreasonable to expect the same courtesy in return.

zell12

South African radio - much upset about 2024 crackdown by ireland on south africa visitors, delays & expense https://omny.fm/shows/afternoons-with-pippa-hudson/consumer-talk-irish-visa-delays-cause-havoc?in_playlist=podcast-1

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123701841#Comment_123701841

he chokes all threads with gibberish.