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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 nippy corner foward


    Obviously kk management cant force anyone to play and more and more players are declining the call but derek should really go after tom kenny,eddie donnelly and paul cody. I know its hard to keep everyone happy but these 3 definitely have something to offer. Oisin knox another lad who has a few good seasons with vegas was excellent at the weekend. Paul heneberry one of the best center backs in club hurling the last few years is probably gone past it at county level but should of got more than one walsh cup match. Geroid dunne done well in the backs and thats where he played all his underage hurling. Think he got 3 points the other night.cathal bryne and ian byrne good for Glenmore and scruff was good with some puckouts and is now playing in goal for the club. Big crowds at the club and great value along with the programme. Olg going to time their run different. Heary done well when he came on. Lacey and Hackett good for the boro who have a fresh looking team with bill Sheehan and harry shine out. Henry will certainly get a bounce from shamrocks and cody,ronan corcoran and joey cudihy will really strengthen them. Daragh corcoran was a man on a mission. Comer missing a lot including michael brennan but they wont panic yet. Richie leahy will be a help when if he gets injury cleared up. Dissapointing result for freshford but danesfort have a very good half back line and ideland wall is well able to hurl. Village had to work hard against a dogged organized muckalee team. This is a young squad and will know all about it against the likes of danesfort,tullogher and mooncoin. Kk senior team is very stale and predictable. We need management to have courage and go after these kind of lads and get them involved. Some of the players listed are as good as what's in there. It seems like it's the same kk team for the last 5 years. Desperately need a injection of freshness,even lads of 24-25 year olds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭sportsmaddad


    Great summary of a lot of the weekend action. And i agree re 24-25 year old lads. Plenty of them out there with 5-6 years of solid club campaigns behind them but for one reason or another haven't featured with KK Seniors. They're coming into their prime now and should be looked at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    ye very well said, A lot of posters throwing in a right mix of names after the weekend matches. Every match in all grades throws up at least two players worth talking about and having a look at and as I have mentioned previously maybe do what the Dubs do and have a meaningful challenge match between two panels of 25 players each and play it at the start of the new year,like we had with the start of the Walsh cup.It would bring a crowd if it was organised properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    well Topcat, ye wasn’t there something about Rebel og pulling out of all these competitions as well , undermining everything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I see last year they split the Tony Forrestal into two groups, north and south.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    Great to have the club action back one thing I did notice was loads of young guys just out of minor starting across all grades the 18/19 age bracket which is good to see and hopefully bodes well for u20 and senior county teams going forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Were the 16's not playing Limerick? Or at least that's what was on the Kilkenny gaa official website last week and of course with no follow up results. The coverage of the development squads competitions is terrible, it's like these underground competitions that only people in the know hear about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭babyjesus14


    Couldn't agree more. While it's disappointing that none of our '22 under 20 team have nailed down a starting spot yet anyone would be foolish to be writing lads off in their early '20's. If you take Tipp this year who were being described as a "young team" in the build up to this years All Ireland final, the core of that team(8 of the starters) were aged between 25 & 28, 6 of whom were involved with their '19 under 20 winning team. And 6 years on these lads are excelling at senior level. There's plenty of good young hurlers in Kilkenny it's a case of progressing them and finding out how good they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    The first team were definitely playing Galway, near Loughrea. They played Limerick recently and did ok.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Glenmore and ballyhale will be a big match on Sunday in glenmore. Don't know where they'll fit all the cars! A full strength glenmore team could reach a semi final with a good draw. Most of their players have played County underage. Lisdowney are down 5 or 6 of last year's team. Kevin Sweeney and pat ó carroll big losses.

    Similarly blacks are in a dog of a group and will be looking to have a full squad for the first round of championships.

    Village and tullogher is a big intermidiate game on Saturday. Pity Hartley and Marty Murphy won't be available to really go at the village. Likes of inistioge and St lachtains could do with a win and a good performance too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Deskjockey


    The u16A (161) team played Galway last weekend and got beaten. The u16B (162) team played Limerick and beat them by a point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭blackcard


    It will be 4 matches in a row for all the senior teams, this will test the squad depths. Should suit the city teams and Thomastown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    Not to bad introduction for ourselves Saturday against St Martins missing a few. McDermott out for a few weeks and Lahouaf just back from holidays but played last 20 minutes inside. I can see us improving as the year goes on as we are trying out younger players. Jackie and Eoin have a lot of pressure on themselves to get back up this year but they need to lay off the referees. Constantly barking at him for the hour and Behan was trying to leave the match go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭Ceist_Beag


    Barking at referees seems to have been a theme over the weekend. It was even worse at the Fenians Carrickshock game, both management teams constantly refereeing the game from the sideline. You'd want to be deaf to be the man in the middle these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭droppingball


    Nice to see Fenians, Carrickshock,.Tullogher, Clara and few other country clubs bringing in 18/19 year olds this year that are capable of making a difference. Great for clubs to get fresh blood, gives the whole set up a boost.

    Glenmore have produced a fair amount of hurlers for county panels in recent years, fair effort must have went in at underage and they deserve credit. When you add Dollard, Vereker, Billy Reid, Ian Byrne, Cathal Beirne to the three Murphys they shouldn't be in relegation again and should be kicking on. Might need a bit more inside.

    The Bridge might struggle for forwards but they seem to find a way to get to a semi.

    Intriguing to see how Ballycallan and Clara go, they are good enough to cause trouble to anyone.

    O loughlins will most likely change approach this year and try find a blend and balance before the knockouts. Have all the materials of they can get the forward division right.

    Anything possible for Shamrocks, it they get everyone on the field they will be there or thereabouts. Might be caught out in backs if they were to lose anyone.

    Haven't seen the boro yet but they have the trouble to cause anyone problems and I would seem themselves and tullaroan in the one bracket. If either get momentum they could have a right go off this.

    Thomastown are probably looking to start strong and will look to find a few from the panel stepping up. Looking to back lastvyear up and see how good they can be, plenty of things would need to go right but in a good place.

    Mullinavat will always be a tough one and are better than last year suggests, nobody will look forward to playing them.

    Going to be a tough year for Lisdowney and Comer, they will need to be ready for championship as first round will be their targets. Fancy Lisdowney to stay up from the two, Comer have serious talent coming though so no fear of them.

    Looks like a great year ahead in the senior, really is 5 to 6 that can have a right go off it, really good sign of our championship. Hopefully a few players step up and we can translate our club championship to inter county. Anticipation of which matches to take in every weekend makes the weeks go faster. We are blessed with the championship we have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    We have also brought in a nice few 18/19 years this year, James Stephens must have produced over 15 county minors in the last 5/6 years so these players will need to be the players to bring us out of Intermediate this year. No other club has produced more underage county minors in the last 6/7 years so hopefully this reflects on the field as the year goes on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    There’s to many mentors coaches selectors or whatever on the line these days it turns into a competition of who can shout loudest or have the most representation along a sideline hands are thrown in the air real theatrical stuff for every little infraction whether it’s even a free or not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭JohnCougar


    The Intermediate grade is very hard to get out of and the Village have a lot of work to do based on last Saturday. The problem the Village will have is that their full back line is weak and there are no leaders from 8 to 15 to help bring on all the talent that these young players have. They might need to move Cian Kenny to midfield. They have been lucky with the pitches they are playing their games in. It won't be the end of the world if the Village dont come back up as all these young players will need time to grow and develop into men, which is hard to do in senior with so many players coming through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    TheThey have certainly revolutinised hurling all right!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    They needed all the luck they could get playing that way. If you read my posts throughout the year I stated that this brand would not see them win an All Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    In fairness to the village they seem to be experimenting a bit with 18/19 year olds. They'll have more strength in depth than most intermidiate teams. Not sure when Cody and brassill will be back, they'll help the centre of the defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Nedflanders02




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    No, Conor Browne will not be hurling for James Stephens this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭Ceist_Beag


    Following up on concerns raised here at the start of the juvenile season, I reviewed the league results at U16 grade to see how it fared out. It makes for some very poor reading. I'm not sure how different this is from previous years but if this is not addressed next year something is very wrong. There is no doubt but that this is not helping our chances of success at underage. Good competitive games are needed in order to bring these young lads on, not dishing out or receiving hammerings each week.

    Summary of Roinn A
    The average margin of victory in the league was 10 points. Only one game was conceded here. This was the most competitive division at U16.

    Summary of Roinn B
    The average margin of victory in the league was 13 points across both groups. There were a mix of competitive games and very one sided games here suggesting there were some teams who were too strong for B and should have been in A. For example the two two teams in group A had a scoring difference of +103 and +95 respectively from just 9 games each. The top two teams in group B had a scoring difference of +89 and +68 from just 8 games each. 8 games were conceded in Roinn B.

    Summary of Roinn C
    The average margin of victory in the league was 13 points. This was by far the biggest **** show at U16. In group A, only 16 games were actually played (in a 10 team group) and a whopping 23 games were conceded. The average margin of victory in the 16 games played was 18 points. One team finished with 10 points (5 wins, 4 defeats) having only played 4 actual games (they lost all 4)! The 5 "victories" were actually conceded to them. Group B was better where 37 games were played and the average margin of victory was 11 points. 7 games were conceded in this group. There is absolutely no doubt that the Carlow clubs damaged Roinn C by handing out walkovers regularly. But there is also no doubt that some teams in Roinn C should not have been there, they should have been in B and everyone knew this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    I believe the situation in u14 is not much better, with only 5 club teams in Roinn B, can someone confirm this ? Lisdowney devouring teams in Roinn C with something like 25 teams in Roinn C.

    First point is how can the grading be so unbalanced, also how are teams like Lisdowney in Roinn C hammering opposition and only 5 teams in Roinn B.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Rega


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    6 teams in Roinn B



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭Ceist_Beag


    6 teams in B at U14 versus 24 teams in C, that's just wrong. Some of those teams in C should have been made play in B and no appeal should have been tolerated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Village87


    I see one of those 6 is Fenians/Ballyraggett, if they were not amalgamated they would be 26 teams in C with 5 in B. Lisdowney should be ashamed of themselves. I am sure its not only Lisdowney but there results are stand out, probably 17/18 point winning margin average.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭Ceist_Beag


    Agreed @Village87 but just bear in mind that the average winning margin in Roinn C group A at U16 is 18 points! So if we're going looking at teams, look at Piltown who averaged over 20 point winning margins in their 5 played victories, or Galmoy/Windgap who had an average winning margin of 15 points in group B.



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