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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭September1


    We are small market and Tesla has for years ignored our need to be fleeced and sold cars without premium - that makes them even more competitive here. Imagine if instead of direct sales we had some local big distributor handling sales.

    I did not not mention anything about it because I'm not sure how is that important? Did he apologize for his actions or showed some other regret? He left saying he wants to focus more on his companies.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s the RHD that kills us. There are better deals in Europe to buy these cars and American, but LHD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭sk8board


    the simple reality is that if Tesla was valued on any fundamental level, these debates wouldn’t happen.

    Tesla is a great company, great products, great vision and all the rest - but it’s hopelessly detached from its market valuation, no matter how optimistic you are that every project will be a massive financial success in the (probably distant) future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭sk8board


    this weeks Elon Inc podcast from the FT covered that fatal FSD crash where Tesla were finally found liable for innocent pedestrian deaths, and they interviewed the court expert witness which was interesting,

    she stayed in her lane on the tech, but literally said that for as long as Tesla thinks it to use one single sensor (vision) to drive the car, it’s can’t ever get approval under current reg’s - which might explain Musk’s foray into trumps government. She said Musk is acutely aware of the limitations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,852 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The rest of the world disagrees with you. The share price is the consensus of the net present value of all future profits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭maidhc


    But it might be wrong, and that’s the interesting thing. That’s why I am (a bit) obsessed with Tesla. The stock market is regularly wrong, as you know, and often corrects a small bit, and more times a big bit.

    i think the mood music for Tesla and its valuation is not positive.


    (I’m not joining Cyrus and gumbo in the rabbit hole, I could make personal attacks too and be offended if someone said something about a bland family car I use as a tool as well, but seriously…)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,269 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    you made personal attacks already maidhc why stop now? and no one is offended by your opinion on how bland their car is its just hard to take you seriously when you drive around in a rav4 and a camry and thing owning an old w211 e class makes a car enthusiast, on that basis so is my FIL. My etron was a bland baby wagon too apparently even though you had the model wrong, i think its not the cars you have an issue with you are just on the wind up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭maidhc


    And you went from a Mercedes to an Audi to a Tesla… next is a Dacia I assume! I assume the watch is gone from an iwc to a Casio! 😆

    I never had a w211. I had a few w201s and a w203 alright, but that’s my extent of Mercedes ownership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,852 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Of course it might be wrong, nobody can predict the future. But the consensus is the current market value of TSLA is exactly right. Or any other share for that matter 😂

    People coming up with but, but, but the P/E ratio is far too high or the sales or margins are up or down, have no idea what way a stock market works. Particularly when it comes to shares in companies that are or might be disruptive.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    More proof that you’re an arsehole that can’t be taken seriously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,269 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    the watch? i have lots of watches maidhc but no casios ;) im surprised you know what an IWC is but i digress. Look forward to you breaking the econobox habit and buying the fancy GLC or X3 you are eyeing up and giving us the low down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,852 ✭✭✭✭unkel


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    Tempted to realise another very quick very sweet profit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Slight correction, but an important one - the shareholders of tsla disagree with me.

    And that’s absolutely fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,852 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Nope not just the shareholders. Also the people considering to become shareholders (potentially the whole world) and even negative shareholders (shorts). All their opinions are in the share price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,869 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    If you're going to post financial charts, at least post the whole thing. This is not VW EV deliveries, it's VW GROUP EV deliveries. This is what you should have posted.

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    So, it's not just any BEV with a VW badge. The VW group has a few more badges to consider. This is not even the full list. Consider the Cupra is a SEAT. They all come under the groups financials for deliveries, even if they operate as separate entities.

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    You said VW, not VAG. Are there any other goal posts you would like to move?

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,198 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Tesla SP is running on vibes and expectation. Anyone arguing they are based on numbers or anything of the sort is being unserious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,852 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's the German in the Model S with free supercharging for life. That was 3 months ago, it looks like he will hit 2.5 million km soon. Granted he has had 2-3 batteries and numerous motors (all replaced under warranty afaik). The early motors were problematic and the batteries were fine, but let in water over time

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    I think only a couple of cars have ever reached that and they were old skool tech with ridiculously regular maintenance like monthly oil services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭maidhc


    does it matter? Even though vws value is in the doldrums it has the brands to leverage; the cars are still vws. It can sell almost the same car as a skoda, ad an skoda as an Audi as a Porsche. It can aggressively cut the price of a cupra and not cross contaminate Bugatti... something Tesla can only dream of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,353 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I've said that many times here, absolute nonsense of a share price, investing in Tesla is no better than putting it all on black in vegas at this point. It bears no relevance to the fundamentals at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,079 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You could also spend it on booze and be guaranteed a good time rather than gambling it any maybe having a good time

    I do believe that at some point in the future the TSLA share price will crash. When, I don't know, but it's simply not sustainable for any company to have shares climb as much as TSLA does and not actually have anything much to show for it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    It had 14 motors by the time it hit 2m km if we're talking about the same car. That's only about 143k each, almost any ICE engine would go past that without issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,852 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Without maintenance, no oil services? 😉

    Current motor is in it 800k km afaik. As I said, the early motors in the Tesla Model S had issues. Long sorted since, all the facelift Model S (from 2016) and all Model 3 and Model Y have motors that pretty much last the lifetime of the car with zero maintenance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,869 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yes. It does matter. Are you being intentionally obtuse, or do you not see the difference between VW and VW Group companies? If Tesla purchased all the other BEV companies outside of China and the Tesla Vehicles Group sold 10 times that of the VW Group, I doubt you would be as loose with the figures.

    People buy brands, not holding companies. Most people who stick to one brand within the VW Group would never even consider another brand within that same group unless it was big step up in prestige. Many of these cars actually share the same platform and people still won't consider moving to a different badge.

    The SEAT Tarraco is a Skoda Kodiaq. Even though they aren't prestige level cars, you wouldn't see Skoda owners rushing to the SEAT. Probably why you've likely never even heard of the Tarraco, even though it's around €7k less than than a Kodiaq. That's just the first example that comes to mind.

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    So, you can't lump VW BEV sales in with the entire BEV sales of every company within the VW group. It's an absurd method of comparison, as each company acts independently of the next. If you have to do that to make your point, then I say you've made your point. Just not the one you were trying to make.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    A fair analysis - the VAG group is huge. Tesla is but one company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭maidhc


    VW make all the cars and Volkswagen Ireland import all the brands and will be selling them directly next year. The point is getting lost in your diatribe, that VW are shifting more BEVs than Tesla in Europe, which they are, irrespective of the badge they shove on the bonnet.

    I’m will aware of the tarraco btw. I tend not to forget the times I had to write to Volkswagen over a issue with a vehicle!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,869 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Do you even know what diatribe means? Show me where I attacked you. I made a coherent point and you have only given an opinion with no material backing. If you consider my first paragraph to be an attack, then please report me, as I didn't intend to offend your sensitivities if that is what has happened here. I'll take the full force of a ban if my comments are deemed threatening, or abusive.

    Now, you obviously don't know the difference between VW Group and the many brands which operate independently of the VW Group, including the brand VW, so I will leave it there, as it is pointless discussing this topic with someone who simultaneously doesn't know the subject matter and doesn't care to understand more about it, as that would shed light on how wrong you are. Good evening.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭maidhc


    I’m not sure how much you understand about corporate ownership structures tbf, but as it happens I think the core VW brand alone has outsold Tesla in Europe. Add in all the idenikit clones that all contribute to the bottom line of the same corporate entity and bobs your uncle… a company that was supposed to be going broke outselling what was the leading light of electrification!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Saul Goodman 91


    If I am reading this right, you are looking down at somebody for driving a Toyota; instead of some crappy plasticky German keeping up with the Jones' SUV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,269 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    No mickey does the looking down around here (although you appear to be making a reasonable effort yourself) I'm just questioning why, what do you drive Saul must be exotic?

    The etron is German but crappy and plasticy it wasn't, although it's gone now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭maidhc


    You are an angry man!


    As an aside I think I only currently own one vehicle per ghosts restrictive understanding of “ownership”, a 23 year old Landcruiser J95 thati have had for over a decade.

    I was coming home last night in it and I realised it is probably the closest to a perfect vehicle you could own (at least for a non city dweller): it has adequate power, can cruise at or above the motorway limit with ease, it has lots of space (never needed a removal van!) it’s big, but can still fit in a car park (if you take care) it’s surprisingly comfortable, you can drive it free of annoying “aids”, but still has useful technology like ABS, it can manage 30mpg which isn’t great, but ok and most importantly it will always get you where you need to go and back… even though the ice and floods us non Dublin people have to endure (pulled a fallen branch off the road once, waded through 3ft+ of water to get to school another time)

    I know this is off topic a little… but there is no one correct answer to what is a good car and attacking various marques and models because of some perceived enlightenment is odd.



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