2025 Irish EV Sales

My 2017 BMW i3 Rex 33 Kwh showed no loss of capacity after nearly 5 years and 94,000 Kms.

I remember Seeing the specs of the cells from Samsung and saying "yeah right" then I started to believe it, but I have no data on how a 33 Kwh i3 would be doing today, it would be 8 years 5 months old now.

Unsurprisingly you haven't even listened to what I've said. I am completely independant of the public charging network. I have no interest in having a full ev as my main family car hence my use of a phev. My second car which is a small car that only does journeys around Dublin will soon be changed from a petrol to an EV. It will also be independant of the public charging network.

You are so busy concentrating on your own bubble that you completely disregard other peoples experiences and requirements. I am by no means an EV convert but can see and analyse where EV, PHEV, petrol and diesel fit into my requirements without being dismissive and scornfull of other peoples opinions

I wouldn’t call a pre 2010 car a banger. As long as its NCT’d its as good as anything else on the road.

And if it’s a german BMW, Merc or Audi, it’ll be better built and likely to last longer than a more modern one.

Thrill of the century! vroom vroom. Petrol power ,yeah !

I think you've left your mindset stuck back somewhere in 2015 🤔

Modern cars are safer but in fairness , a lot of people just want cheap A to B and don't care about all the tech or don't want to be plagued by the overload of tech in new cars or the expensive over inflated new car prices and the fact cars have got much bigger and the price tag has gone way up too as a result.

A lot of people (more than enough to create a viable market) actually want most or all of those things - which is why the market has gone the way it has.

Not everyone wants to drive the newest highest tech entertainment centre on wheels.

Seems like there's more than enough people looking for exactly this - hence the rapid & recent introduction of ever more techy (and now) small cars to appeal to an even wider audience. Just not you.

More modern cars are getting more difficult and expensive to repair when things fail with little thought for the mechanic that actually has to get under the bonnet and pull half the engine apart to do simple repairs.

This is trotted out a bit and I'm not sure any info is provided along with the claims to back up the assertions. Few people these want to interact with traditional mechanics any more. The old school experience of being at the mercy of a grubby spannerman (apologies, spanner-person) with no real concept of schedule other than "I'll fit you in when I can love" seems not to be wanted anymore - by men or women. Our consumer world is dominated by tech platforms, apps, notifications, online reminders, etc - and the old haphazard and frankly sloppy way of doing business is thankfully on the way out.

From a carbon emissions point of view this isn't true. Keeping an ice on the road for 2 years is worse than scrapping and buying a new EV and driving that for the 2 years instead.

And that's compared to a new Ice, for older dirtier ones it would be even shorter.

Just to note a few things….

Older cars were sold under less stringent standards for emissions, i.e. Euro 4 .. plus some could also have the software adjusted illegally by the manufacturer to fool the emissions standards checks and could be much more polluting in real life.

As for the "hole in the ground in the Congo" what about the hole in the ground in Saudi Arabia, the lithium only needs to be extracted once for an EV but the crude oil needs to be extracted every day for the ICE car and refined and sent in Tankers by sea and road every day to provide Petrol/Diesel at your local pumps.

Cleaning up the air outside your own door is for your health and those of your neighbours and is extremely important for the environment locally and globally..

So go ahead and trade in your petrol/diesel car for a nice new EV, and who knows, your trade in may replace someones old banger from the early part of the 2000's… that can't be so bad?

if the car is an old banger that shouldn’t be on the road - yes I absolutely agree. Id swap all cars for an EV personally, but my life and location suits EVs perfectly.

How did you arrive to this numbers? According to this research from 3 years ago kWh of battery uses in best case 41kg/kWh so 54kwh battery would be 2tonnes of CO2. Chassis was about 4tonnes in 2015 and engine 600kg. That is in total 6600kg. Ten year old Range Rover is 299g/km so assuming electricity from renewables it requires barely 22kkm to make it worthwhile to replace it with EV. This idea of keeping old roadworthy cars being more environmentally friendly has no basis in reality.

and yet they do actually have valid NCTs, which is my point.

Anyway; the original discussion was simply that a scrappage scheme would be a bad idea. There’s very little appetite at government or electorate level to incentivise any further someone who can afford a new car.

The days of talking about 1m EVs by 2030 are long gone

And the old drive it up and down the road until the exhaust is hot so it burns off all the soot! :-D

Just passed by a 12yr old Audi, lowered to the floor, massive exhaust, sounds like a tractor, NCT just expired.. A lot of people will re-fit the original parts then throw it though the test then put all the crap back on it afterwards…

Jesus 3% is tiny. There will still be plenty of petrol & diesel cars on the road for the next 30+ years I’d say