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2025 Irish EV Sales

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I still run a PHEV daily. Ain’t nothing wrong with them at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭josip


    That's a 25kWh battery so would get cycled 3 times more often than a 80kWh BEV. I would be curious to know how highly used PHEVs are holding up after 3 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,407 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Cycled even more if all driving is done electric.

    The 25kwh battery gives about 70-80kms real world as far as I know, my 3 times bigger 77kwh EV gives about 450kms. Even if the PHEV gives 100kms, its still not going anywhere near as far per kwh as the EV.

    Bigger car though, possibly not as aerodynamic.

    Id guess the battery will still be in good shape after a few years though, most batteries are. Theres a lot of variables though with PHEV.

    But good to see more very usable cars that plug in all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    X5 Phev is a nice place to be alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,407 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    The optional spec that has to be paid for is criminal though. 100k base plus 20k in extras. A lot of it standard on cars less than half the price.

    I believe a diesel starts at around 130k before options.

    But yes, nice place to be when specced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 875 ✭✭✭omicron


    Electric out sold diesel in July, think that's the first major sales month ( i.e. Jan, Feb, July) thats happened?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,315 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah I have to admit I'm happily surprised by how well the small EVs are doing. I always reckoned they'd struggle since the market seems to want big CUVs and the like

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭sk8board


    the X5 is by far and away the biggest selling luxury car in Ireland this year, just under 800 sales. Indeed nothing even came close - the xc90 is 2nd, 375 sales. The traditional S class or 7 series barely even register anymore.

    the phev x5 is a runaway success it seems.

    BMW wont worry about selling EVs for the time being when they have big margins on €120k SUVs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,318 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    If they bring in the weight tax I wouldn’t like to be holding an X5, €2400+ tax will wipe them out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    After paying €120k for the car there'll be plenty who won't blink an eye at dropping 2% of it's value on motor tax.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Those days are gone for businesses. No business will justify anything near a €2400 motor tax bill for one car. They may as well buy an M5 and pay the €170 tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    People are strange, they will happily pay a lot for a car with cheap tax but won't buy cheap cars with expensive tax, it would have a big impact for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,407 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Would take a lot of the good out of the reduced running costs, the low motor tax (160 or 180 euro I think) and the big reduction in fuel bills are a good positive from the diesel models he used to run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    If they really want to accelerate EV sales in a bid to get to a more realistic 500,000 EVs on the road by 2030 then the introduction of scrappage scheme specifically targeted at selling new EVs would go along way. I have a 10 year old leaf that'd I'd happily trade in under the scrappage scheme. 4 or 5k off an inster for example would tempt me but right now without the scheme I'm happy to drive this car into the ground.

    Anyway back to July 2025 it's great to see EV sales neck and neck with diesel. They may even out sell diesel by the end of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I'd guess a scheme like that would target ice scrappage only



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Been happening across Europe for ages now, diesel sub 10% in many markets even if it makes sense for many drivers who put up large mileage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭creedp


    it would be here now as well except for Govt environmental policy. No need for a scrappage scheme, total waste of money and we’re doing enough of that already.Actually maybe get rid of the EV grants and VRT exemptions and channel savings into an EV scrappage scheme? Somehow I don’t think existing EV owners would be too enthusiastic about that approach even if it would encourage getting rid of really dirty old ICEs

    Let the market do its thing as we are now witnessing with the arrival, at last, of affordable small EVs with decent power and range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,736 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    I'm no green party advocate but a government scrappage scheme should be aimed at getting end of life cars that are no longer fit for purpose off the roads. A 10 year old Leaf or any other 10 year old car should not be deemed near end of life and should have plenty of life left in them. Keeping a perfectly good existing older car on the road is more sustainable than producing a new one. Using a taxpayer funded scrappage schemes to induce throw away consumerism of cars is self defeating in many ways and only helps car manufacturers get richer.

    There is also no way that you would get 4k/5k scrappage off the likes of an Inster which is one of the cheapest new EVs on the market. You might get 4k/5k off a 50k/60k car alright but not an entry level car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭sk8board


    agree with the responses above - a scrappage scheme is no longer the answer.

    When it was done in the 90’s/00’s it preempted the NCT and was aimed at taking old unroadworthy bangers off the road.

    There’s almost no bangers on the road anymore.

    In 2025, EV grants/scrappage schemes/incentives, targeting people with the money to spend on a new car is never the answer.

    The overwhelmingly majority of people buying new EVs do so with running costs in mind, not the environmental impact. It’s a distance 2nd at best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭PaulRyan97


    I'm not really convinced for the need for a scrappage scheme anymore looking at the trends from this year. People are clearly shifting buying habits with one in three vehicles sold being a plug-in.

    It's likely given the tiny margin in at the moment that BEVs will outsell diesel vehicles by years end. A huge milestone. In less than 10 years diesel has gone from being ~75% of the new market to just 17%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,315 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Someone mentioned recently that a high percentage of new car sales in Wicklow were EVs

    I was driving around the Wicklow mountains today and I must admit that I wouldn't want any other engine type for the job

    The old manual gearbox was really a terrible idea and should be done away with ASAP

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,407 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Wicklow and kildare were the 2 biggest proportion of EV registrations. 25% and 23%

    Yeah I've driven around the mountains its very easy and well suited to EV



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    Increased sales of PHEVs is a good thing as they act as a gateway drug to full ev. I bought a phev last year to replace a diesel. I have a home charger and use it on ev all the time except for when travelling outside of Dublin. I am now ready to replace the second car in the house with a full ev. It is used around Dublin all the time and is perfect to go ev.

    The experience i have had with the phev has definitely influenced this and i probably wouldn't be buying an ev without the taster of running a phev



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,407 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I had phev too a small battery 530e but it didnt do my commute on electric and that annoyed me. I had using petrol anxiety all the time! Went full EV within a year.

    The current ones would do my commute no problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    "There’s almost no bangers on the road anymore"

    Trust me there's plenty, especially in rural Ireland. 500 people live within 5km of my home. Every second car going up and down the boreens is pre-2010 with plenty of 20+ year old cars around the place. The Avensis seems to be the cockroach of cars.

    The average age of a petrol car is 10 years and 11 for Diesel. Take out urban vehicles and those averages go way up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭creedp


    Difference is the old bangers these days have to pass an annual NCT which will naturally weed out the sick and inform



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,684 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    You're right, the roads are still full of 15yr+ old cars, Dublin included… I see more of this car than of EV's! 😁

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The i3 Rex was a great piece of engineering which had the most EV range of any PHEV, probably still does today and it also had fast charging so best of both worlds and offered choice.

    So many people sneered at it here and BMW themselves said " who would need more range than what a 40 Kwh EV provides " ? they used this as an excuse to axe the Rex but the realities are they did so as not to have to go to the expense of updating the Rex for the newer euro emissions when they never intended to keep the i3 in production in the first place.

    Now, in 2025 BMW have realised the advantage of the Rex and it's coming back in some form or another, starting in the X5 I believe, but not sure how Rex will be implemented, same as i3 with no mechanical connectivity to the wheels ? we'll find out soon enough.



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