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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭mullinr2


    Mod: Warning issued for ignoring mod instruction about Threadban



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Yes the benefits massively outweigh the minor cost of housing.

    The health service for one would collapse tomorrow if it wasn't for immigrants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,423 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    I think there’s a distinction to be made - the poster asked about the billions spent on asylum seeker accommodation, as far as I’m aware f all asylum seekers go into the health service. If you’ve anything to say otherwise I’d be interested to see it.

    Skilled migrants are a big benefit, asylum seekers (majority of whom are not genuine) are not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The health service would not collapse without immigration, its another lie, like immigrants are here to pay our pensions, that is sold to people to ensure mass immigration goes unquestioned.

    Now of course it would struggle as would any business if you removed a significant portion of its workers, but to say it would collapse is being hugely disrespectful to the many great Irish people who work in it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Yeah id love to know when our healthcare became dependent on immigrants. Because my parents and grandparents have never spoken of a time when they had no health service.

    And theres plenty of people experiencing a failed healthcare system currently. Depending on your needs and means.

    As you say its a throwaway comment by people who like to sound righteous.

    Similar to 'we need immigrants to build houses to house immigrants'.

    If you sit with any of these statements for even a minute of reflection you realise how rediculously fallace they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The last time I was in A&E was about 20 years ago and I was seen and treated by a lad from Africa. It's been a thing for quite a while. Both of the GPs in my local walk-in clinic are Indian. But sure, yeah. It's a new thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,852 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Did people just die in discomfort without healthcare before immigration?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Yeah it's a tough argument these anti immigration lads make when the general public get looked after by migrants in hospitals when they go in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭donaghs


    An immigration policy doesn’t have to be all or nothing. It’s possible to have stricter criteria to reduce immigration, and prioritize other groups like healthcare workers.
    The idea that we have to accept 150k immigrants per year because many immigrants work in the health service is nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,002 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    We are part of the EU. Every single person from other countries in the EU are able to come work and live here if they choose. The same rights are offered to Irish citizens we are free to move to Portugal or Italy tomorrow and a benefit I and many other are glad to have.

    Regarding healthcare have a look at the report and decide if we don't need immigrants. Line 3 being most important.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-health/collections/national-healthcare-statistics-2025/

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    Just because a very few high profile cases appear regarding immigrants committing crime appear, the scare mongering here and other sites are off the charts. 99.9% are here for a better life, contribute to the country and take care of us and our relatives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭donaghs


    You already know this I’m sure, so it looks like you are deliberately misdirecting the conversation . But, the EU isn’t the whole world. India and Brazil for starters are not in the EU. I’ve nothing against India or Brazil but if we don’t want close to 150K immigrants per year, we can be more picky like Australia about who comes with which skills.

    Again, you are deliberately pretending I said we don’t need immigrants. It is possible to scale back immigration, and still prioritise health care workers.

    I haven’t mentioned criminal cases in my last post either. Just because 99.99% of people who want to move to Ireland are decent hard working people, that doesn’t mean they we need to have an immigration rate of hundreds of thousands per year.

    Either you’re deliberately misinterpreting these points, or your just stuck in some ideological position repeating the same talking point mantra , regardless of what’s being said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,002 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    "but if we don’t want close to 150K immigrants per year, we can be more picky like Australia about who comes with which skills."

    How do you think people from India and the Philippines come here? Do you think they just show up on a random basis and we decide to let them work in a hospital? A fully qualified nurse from India can not get direct employment in a hospital here.

    They have to work as a HCA for at least one year.

    You seem to have no idea about the immigration system here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Re your last paragraph, you’ll soon come to find that it is in fact, both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭donaghs


    As well you know, they don’t all work in healthcare!

    Great hard working people, everything from shopworkers to management consultants, but I think the immigration rate is unsustainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,002 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Such a pathetic reply to real information. No doubt 10 thanks to follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


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    From the Sunday Independent’s Ireland thinks poll this weekend, for those in this thread that are continuously trying to dismiss that the average voter thinks migration is an issue the government needs to deal with - there’s a lot of overlap between housing and cost of living also, with rent or mortgage being most people’s biggest single monthly expense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,761 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You are completely Wrong of course and you have been told this before

    Obviously talking about educated qualified immigrants but since the late 90s / 2000s we have a large number of Indian and Filipino nurses working here in the Health Service . Of course we could not survive in the HSE without them .

    Foreign doctors have always made up the majority of NCHDs in Ireland .

    (Now cue someone coming on saying "we are only talking about asylum seekers," maybe even you ! )

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    It has been pointed out already that we are discussing asylum seekers but you knew that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,761 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Again, your parents and grandparents unless you are over 70 would have been treated by foreign NCHDs in Ireland as they have been recruited here since the 1950s .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    Well, I'm 75. I was 36 when I left Ireland for good. I lived in England between the ages of 20 and 27. In Ireland I was only ever treated by Irish medics. In England I was once treated by an Indian doctor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,761 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes , or waiting for someone to see them . Do you think people are employed from overseas as supernumerary workers ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    I spent the weekend in Dublin visiting family in a certain suburb in south Dublin. I would say in the past what I would describe as typically Irish, salt of the earth people live here.

    I haven't been up in over a year visiting them and I see a huge shift in the demographics around here in that time. Shockingly so. They say the same.

    The White Flight is absolutely real!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,761 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Well Joe who is 75 and lived abroad for much of his adult life , foreign NCHDs have been employed in high numbers in Ireland since the 1950s .

    Your personal experience is irrelevant in the context of this fact .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    How is that the same as our health system being dependent on immigrants?

    Nearly 40% are foreign educated according to recent figures from the HSE.

    I would be shocked if even 10% were foreign educated up to the 90s.

    And guess what, we had a functional healthcare system same as we do now for all those decades prior to the boom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,761 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It was functioning , barely , alright 🤨. That is why there was a push for more nurses and doctors than we were turning out or capable of educating .

    We are still running behind other OECD countries in terms of bednumbers and waiting lists .

    But sure yeah , people on here whinging about the health service and waiting lists currently , would be about 40% worse off without our immigrant healthcare workers .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    HHigh Numbers? Can you give a % or did you just make that bit up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    So we need more immigrants to provide healthcare for all the immigrants?

    The healthcare system worked the same as it does now. During the boomy 00s when Ireland became an attractive economical destination, like every other industry the HSE was only happy to flood the market and lower the wages/standards.

    That has a self fufilling loop of more and more foreign educated and less Irish educated in the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Can you back up this fact, what are considered high numbers? Otherwise its as anecdotal as joes story.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,761 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Again another with no idea about the health system talking no sense ., no offense . Immigrants who are working in health have no business being discussed on this thread except people are completely down a rabbit hole .

    . I have made my point on this and will not be replying further

    Goodnight



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