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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    That violence was done by a minority of settlers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,585 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Ah you are back again a few days after your racist post like nothing has happened. I see you're still being an apologist for Israeli war crimes despite the mountain of evidence against it- even from Jewish and Israeli academics- including genocide experts. However Political Analyst knows more. If you lived up to your username you wouldn't just take as gospel whatever the likes of Nethanyu and the IDF say given their history of lying. However due to your nauseating bias you are unable to live up to your username and just believe whatever they say, no matter how implausible it is. I suspect you know deep down it's all bs but you will plough on regardless.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Was it up to British and US forces to provide aid to German civilians in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of Dresden, given that those forces had not yet reached Hamburg and Munich?

    Change to the laws of war has been relatively slight since the end of World War Two. There's no part of the laws of war that says that no action can be taken against combatants who use a hospital as a military base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,945 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Sounds like you're trying to excuse the "settlement "movement. All "settlements" are illegal under international law, and since Oct 7th, their violence has multiplied.

    https://www.btselem.org/topic/settler_violence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Was it up to British and US forces to provide aid to German civilians in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of Dresden, given that those forces had not yet reached Hamburg and Munich?

    Multiple laws and institutions were formed because of what happened in Dresden etc.

    Why are you using them as examples when also using them as reasons to ignore what is happening now?



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,062 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,514 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Starvation or famine would not have been a big issue in the wake of the bombing of Dresden. It was still well behind German lines, with lots of farmland etc nearby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,434 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Was it up to British and US forces to provide aid to German civilians in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of Dresden, given that those forces had not yet reached Hamburg and Munich?

    Moronic.

    Absolutely moronic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I just come here now to watch them go off the deep end. Clowns the lot of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭purplesnack


    Sure it was..…since 1967. Or 1948 if you want to go back that far



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    That sentence has been totally taken out of context in regards the broader talking point I was on about.

    WWII is approx 1,550 more deadly than the current war in Gaza. That means for every one person who has died in Gaza, 1,550 died in WWII.

    Up to 85 Million people died in WWII.

    The current war in Gaza is brutal and deadly by all accounts, but yes, it is nothing in comparison to what WWII wrought on the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭carfinder


    Just like Oct 7 was done by a tiny minority of Palestinians you utter disgrace of humanity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


     He established previously that all of this is ok though, if I recall correctly he moved to the US years ago and knows lots of Jewish people so apparently bigotry is ok.

    Say what????

    This isnt me. I dont live in the USA…

    So I have no idea what you are on about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I explained it pretty clearly what I meant, I can't re-explain it to you.

    The IDF are the pre-eminent military in the region, as we have seen recently and in the past. This is not a controversial statement. The measure is not if they can or cannot kill civilians, (If one wants, killing civilians isn't all that hard, unfortunately, just look at our history) the measure is in how they conduct warfare against other hostile nation-states and their proxies. If they were not somewhat decent at their job, and say the likes or Iran, and Syria could easily overcome them, then dare I say, there would be no Israel, and possibly millions of more dead Jewish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    They really make it hard for themselves. Their fellow brethren are getting killed, but they don't care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,477 ✭✭✭trashcan


    You could similarly say that October 7th was a "Teddy Bears picnic" compared to what the IDF has done since using this logic. But you'd never say that would you ?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,062 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    It's ok to admit you're wrong and retract a previous statement. I've done it many times on here, much better than doubling down on unsound logic because for whatever reason you're unwilling to not walk back or reasses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Not compared to the population of the countries involved in WW2.

    Remember after October 7th Israelis were quick to say the deaths of 1200 Israelis would be the equivalent of 40,000 Americans.
    They never now make the comparison that 60,000 Gazans killed by Israel would be the equivalent of 10 million dead Americans.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's ok - really. No need to explain yourself.

    We all know what you meant. Just like the Teddy Bears' Picnic analogy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    On the same day that Israel bombed the headquarters of the Red Crescent in Gaza, they ask basically the same organisation, the Red Cross, to deliver aid to the Israeli hostages in Gaza.

    It just shows the depth of their racism. Instead of being outraged by starving people they are only outraged by starving Israelis.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    But they're not wrong.

    It's ingrained in them - the IDF are poster boys, all Gazans died of congenital disease or gorging on stolen aid, Israel has nothing to do with it - it's all Hamas' responsibility, rogue settlers are a teeny tiny minority and besides WWII was way worse so what you whining about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The awful realisation of what has been done in their name is finally sinking in.

    Seems the Israelis are a lot smarter than some in here.

    • Jeremy Ben-Ami, the president of the liberal pro-Israeli group J Street, said that he was "persuaded rationally by legal and scholarly arguments that international courts will one day find that Israel has broken the international genocide convention." Ben-Ami wrote in a statement that "until now, I have tried to deflect and defend when challenged to call this genocide, but I cannot and will not argue anymore against those using the term. I simply won't defend the indefensible."
    • coalition of anti-war groups held a protest against the Gaza war at Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Square, where several dozen activists held discussion circles on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
    • 2,300 Israeli artists and cultural figures signed one of two petitions calling for Israel to stop committing atrocities in Gaza and put an end to the war. One petition stated opposition to the "killing of children and civilians, the starvation and displacement of the population, and the destruction of cities across the Gaza Strip."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems everyone knows Netanyahu just cannot tell the truth. At all.

    He does not want this war to end and couldn't give a fiddlers about the hostages.

    "U.S. Mideast envoy Steve Witkoff told the hostage families that Netanyahu wants to end the war.

    Regrettably, he's fallen into a trap, as he will soon realize.

    Netanyahu has set conditions that he knows Hamas will reject, in order that Hamas will reject them, so that he can maintain the status quo in Gaza without being considered the obstacle.

    His demand for 'demilitarizing Gaza' is unclear, and his aides even add a demand that a 'map of the tunnels' in the Gaza Strip be provided"

    Chaim Levinson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,585 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Hang on. According to Political Analyst that emaciated hostage could have a pre existing medical condition that makes him look emaciated. Oh wait he doesn't come up.with ridiculous nonsense when it comes to Israelis suffering because they matter to him- Palestinians starving doesn't bother him though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It seems @political analyst is not alone - the indifferent Israeli public agree with him. An emaciated hostage is no biggie, apparently.

    Per a previous post however, those hostages should not be treated like this. Isn't it mad that I can condemn Hamas for this but the average Israeli actually doesn't give a hoot.

    Oh wait, perhaps they are only interested in cleansing Gaza so they start constructing their beachfront condos…


    "Barring that one week in September 2024 when Israelis protested the murder of six hostages in captivity in Rafah, past experience indicates that the Israeli public is largely indifferent to the calls of the hostages' families begging them to take to the streets and join the protests.

    If the pictures of skin-and-bone Israelis, a step away from corpses, don't bring the public to the streets to demand an end to the war, it is painful to think what will"

    Bar Peleg

    Post edited by dmcdona on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Haaretz opinion piece seems to suggest average Israelis don't care about the hostages just like their alleged war criminal leader…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,585 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The most moral army in the world, which is interwoven with western values, has shut down 88 per cent of investigations into war crimes. So much accountability and consequences for wrongdoing. Of course the pro Israelis will spin it as they were closed because there was no proof of wrongdoing- there rarely if ever is for these "mistakes" stretching back decades. The IDF should be reclassed as the most incompetent army by the posters who puts it all down to "mistakes".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,697 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It doesn't look good for people claiming to be neutral to be non-neutral.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,697 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Fair play to President Higgins as he continues to call out Israeli skullduggery -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0803/1526721-middle-east-israel-gaza/



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