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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭batman75


    Sharon Osborne I see peddling Zionist nonsense on Gaza. Fair enough she's in grief over her husband's death but still. Her late father was Jewish so that would explain her ramblings. These people are chronically out of touch with the world mood. Anyone believing Jewish propaganda is either a Zionist or an idiot.

    At the minute every day seems to bring another country recognising Palestine as a legit state. Whilst welcome it doesn't help the people of Gaza. The Palestinian people will not vacate Gaza so Israel's strategy of using starvation to clear Gaza won't work. It's absolutely mind boggling their inhumanity to their fellow man given the Holocaust.

    I was listening to a clip today where a pre Prime Minister Keir Starmer said Israel had the right to cut off access to water to Gaza. That is so monstrous as to be mind boggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Was he a leader of the militant wing or a civil servant? In any case even if we accept your premise that the BBC is compromised, what mud can you throw to discredit the various other organisations that have documented Israeli war crimes. Is it all a witchhunt Brendan? You probably do believe something along these lines- anything but admit what your friends are doing. You have as much credibility as someone trying to defend other rogue actors from history. If you thought your post was some sort of gotcha then you are sadly mistaken.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Great news!

    Hamas will disarm once a state for the Palestinian people is established!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Would you not just stick to trolling the radio forum instead of straying into things you clearly have no idea what you're talking about?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,889 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    My friend…..is the content of my post incorrect?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    You are not my friend nor do I care what you think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,889 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Ok ..but don’t be wrongly accusing me of trolling please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    You really don't get to feign ignorance given your posting history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Osbourne has been peddling zionist nonense for years now so nothing to do with her husband's death



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭tarvis


    Mr Stamer is reaping what the many British colonial creations have sown and now need to be weeded out. - like the situation in many African countries with artificial divisive borders drawn by civil servants - like India/ Pakistan - like Northern Ireland.
    Countries still supplying Israel with armaments are complicit in the Gaza genocide and will, if there is any justice left in this world, one day face judgement in the Hague.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Theres a great article on guardian.co.uk/opinion today

    . Re Israel. It says the genocide in Gaza was only possible with aid from America bombs bullets missiles paid for by America there s no war in Gaza bombing and shooting civilians is not a war bombing hospitals doctors and aid workers is not a war

    Trump is maybe considering stopping support because of the international backlash about starvation and genocide from eu countries and reporters

    Biden also gave billions to Israel and up to 6 months the liberal press was trying to pretend this is a conventional war against hamas

    Hamas are hiding in tunnels they are in no danger from bombs or bullets

    Even ordinary Jews and Israeli civilians are turning against the extreme violence and forced starvation of civilians in Gaza

    I think the policy is mass starvation and bombing by the IDF there will only be a small amount of Palestinians lef alive and they will be sent off to a small part of Israel under total military control this is the final solution for the extreme conservatives which are in power right now

    No major democrat politican wants to stand up and criticize Israel as they will lose the highly influencential Jewish vote There is a very powerful Jewish lobby in all parts of the media tv and print newspapers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,899 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Rather than post something crass per the standard pro Israeli comments on fat Palestinians holding emaciated kids, I'll condemn this and state again that Hamas must release the hostages and Israel must accept them.

    I'll also add this, for context, from Haaretz just yesterday:

    The Gaza Health Ministry said hospitals had recorded seven deaths from malnutrition and hunger over the previous 24 hours, including one child. According to the ministry, there have been 169 deaths from hunger in total, including 93 children.


    "We are forced to witness our beloved son and brother, Evyatar David, deliberately and cynically starved in Hamas's tunnels in Gaza - a living skeleton, buried alive," the family statement added.

    The hostage's family also urged the Israeli government and the world community to do "everything possible to save Evyatar".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Shock horror, it's possible for some of us to care about both Israelis and Palestinians. It's truly pathetic that it's got to a point where I have to actually state this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭purplesnack


    Their hypocrisy knows no bounds. They were apoplectic when a hospital in tel aviv was damage by an Iranian missile but they can level every hospital in Gaza because 'Hamas'. They act with absolute impunity but scream bloody murder when anyone speaks or acts out against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,700 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Looking at the photos of the massive march for Gaza through Sydney a few hours ago (perhaps 100,000 people crossing Sydney Harbour Bridge) and all I can see on social media is absolutely enraged posts from Zionists calling them 'terrorists', 'Hamas supporters', 'cheerleaders for October 7th' etc. It's over for these maniacs.

    Edit: even the Australian media are describing the march as 'extraordinary' and say such mobilisation of citizens is highly unusual for Australia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,899 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's all the Israeli supporters have left - namecalling. There is no robust cogent argument they can mount in justification.

    Of course, there are plenty of stupid attempts like the one about the BBC reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,700 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Australian press say that the starvation of the people of Gaza was clearly the final tipping point ; far more people turned up for the march than anyone expected, even the organisers.

    As for the regime supporting headbangers, they are shouting into the wind at this point…..nobody is listening to them.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Mehdi Hasan is obviously biased against the only Jewish state.

    Israel has let aid convoys enter Gaza recently and at many other points since November 2023. Hamas is the government of Gaza. The war would end if Hamas agreed to stop fighting and to give up governance of Gaza.

    If Hamas was safe in tunnels then why did Yahya Sinwar go to the surface? Staying in a tunnel didn't prevent the killing of his brother.

    The New York Times published that photo of an emaciated boy but didn't disclose the fact that he has a serious pre-existing health problem until days after that publication.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,610 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    And people like you fed on it like parasites, instead of showing any signs of self-introspection and questioning whether or not it's okay to starve a child with a serious pre-existing health condition; while knowing they also have no access to basic medical facilities or drugs to help him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,899 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Any comment on the other 92 children who have starved to death?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,873 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel have let in a trickle of aid. Nothing close to what is needed. You know that but you have deliberately chosen to ignore it. Strange. Great analysis as always.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Hamas has controlled distribution of aid and has hidden command centres in hospitals and has thus violated the hospitals' legal protection and so, in those cases, the IDF is relieved of its obligation not to fire into a hospital, just like it would've been OK for the Allies to sink a German hospital ship if it was being used to transport munitions to German forces in either of the world wars.

    There are many images from the 1980s of young men in Western countries dying of AIDS and it can be seen that they were emaciated - were Western governments starving them?

    My point is that, just because you see a photo of an emaciated person, the photo on its own is not proof that starvation is the cause.

    I recall that, sometime last year, an Israeli official on one of the UK's mainstream 24 hour news channels suggested that a genetic condition was the cause of emaciation in the case of another child.

    And where did you get that statistic from? I guess it was the Hamas-run health ministry. To believe that ministry is like believing the Provos in 1972 if they had said that the Paras had killed 200 civilians in 'Free Derry'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭purplesnack


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,610 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    My point is that, just because you see a photo of an emaciated person, the photo on its own is not proof that starvation is the cause.

    The photo on its own should be enough to open your eyes to the dire situation. You say yourself that kids appear emaciated. Is that okay with you? Forget about the root cause and just consider how it cannot be rectified when Israel have bombed hospitals and not provided any field hospitals in response. When they have killed aid workers, and hired people to replace them with people who directly shoot those seeking aid.

    Have a bit of fucking cop on for once



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,899 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So, you're clearly very comfortable supporting an alleged war criminal (at large) and a State that is committing Genocide.

    That's ok, you're entitled to do that, though normal people wouldn't.

    I hope to God you don't have kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,862 ✭✭✭circadian


    This particular comment has pissed me off. I hope you're a troll because I'm taking personal offence at the comparison of Bloody Sunday and what's happening in Gaza. It is historically inaccurate and insulting to victims of both atrocities, especially lining it with some bullshit hypothetical.

    "Hamas has hidden command centres in hospitals, therefore the IDF is relieved of its obligation not to fire into a hospital."

    Even if a hospital is being misused, the presence of civilians and protected infrastructure does not nullify all legal obligations. The burden of proof is on Israel to justify necessity and proportionality, this hasn't happened.

    "It's like the Allies sinking a hospital ship used to transport weapons"
    Hospital ships are protected under the Hague Convention and the Geneva Conventions.

    "Photos of emaciated children are not proof of starvation"

    UN agencies, WHO, UNICEF, and independent medical workers have directly observed and reported malnutrition and starvation, they have not inferred it from photos alone. I'd also add that the Israeli siege and blockade, destruction of bakeries, cutting off aid routes, and statements like “no food, no water, no fuel” (Yoav Gallant) create direct state responsibility.

    "An Israeli official once claimed a child was emaciated due to genetic condition"
    Anecdotal deflection to ignore everything else.

    "92 starving children? That comes from the Hamas-run health ministry, so it’s not reliable"
    Intellectually dishonest argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Israeli experts have said the state is committing genocide thru forced starvation The fact that planes have to drop food aid in by air is an awful way of providing aid only the strongest will be able to reach the food parcels while the rest starve . Israel could simply open the border at Egypt and allow food trucks into provide the food to all the population in an effective manner . Meanwhile Israel will become a pariah state along with North Korea for years to come .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,899 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The moniker of "World Pariah" for Israel is already well and truly copper-fastened.

    The Gaza Genocide will be added to every single news item about Israel for decades.



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