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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭prosaic


    They're down to $280 currently, so maybe you'll be able to pick up at a decent price. If it went a bit lower, I'd consider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I think there is something wrong with the site you are watching or the cache on your PC hasn't cleared in many months 😂

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    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,591 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭prosaic


    Apologies, yes, must have been € I was looking at - only a glance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Only ever look at the value of your (potential) investments in the original currency. Otherwise the gain / loss / value gets distorted by FX variations. Avoids confusion too 😁

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭maidhc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Looking for advice please. I need a car in the next week or so and I've test driven a few EVs at this point. This will be my first EV. I've had a blindspot for Teslas up to recently but yesterday I drove a few for the first time - a M3, MY and MX.

    The M3 was fine but it was a 2020 and honestly the quality wasn't great. I'm also not sure if I'd regret the small boot opening when it comes to camping gear etc. But they are great value at the moment.

    The MY was basically an inflated version of the M3 as far as I could tell. More spacious and practical but definitely less attractive and more expensive.

    The MX is a car I've always kind of wanted. If feels great, definitely the biggest of the 3 and everything just felt a bit more integrated and thought through. Definitely some of the appeal is to my inner child with falcon doors! It was a six seater which could definitely be handy (we only have two kids ourselves but always giving lifts). But it's a 2018 car which feels ancient in this day and age and it's the 75D which I think would struggle to make it from Dublin to Cork in one shot (which would be important to us). It's also the most expensive of the three.

    I know it's a personal choice but I'm looking to the tesla brain trust here to point anything out that I may not be considering. Thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,090 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The MY might still have some of the 4 year/ 80k basic warranty left?

    Both M3 and MY will almost certainly have motor and battery warranty left.

    The MX as far as I know won't and you'll need deep pockets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Is that because the X has a known history of issues or just because it's out of warranty and therefore anything that might go wrong could be expensive?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Based on your other thread, you looked at a bogey 2020 car. You mentioned in the other thread about grinding rear noises and bad doors so that to me sounds like a ragged car from the start.

    I had a 2020 M3P and it was flawless, no gaps, no rattles and nothing going bad internally. Depending on budget, go view a few more.

    The MIC cars from 2021 then had “better” build quality from china and a few tweaks inside along with the LFP battery. One of them sold recently for circa €16k.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Isn't the answer obvious? Try the Model S as well. The facelift cars are very affordable now. They are well built and have a lot of practicality. Go test drive one and see what you think.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You don't really mention budget. But here goes:

    Sounds like it was a poor example of a M3 you test drove, but if you like the M3, look at the 2021/22 models which are made in china. Distinction being no gloss black centre console and no chrome exterior window trim on the new models. Better battery chemistry, heat pump and electric boot. I sold my 2022 a month ago. For a good one still under full warranty, you will find for circa 25k.

    I agree the outgoing MY is just ugly. Harsh suspension on them too. I just picked up the new model, which is nicely refined.

    Love the MX, but too pricey new. Used ones are also pricey here and any failing parts are going to cost on such a pricey car.

    The MS might suit you. A few of them available here and at affordable prices. Facelift version only is what I would go for. Again, any repairs could set you back, but that's the risk you take.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,496 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I had an X75D seven seater, they are a great car but if you're doing Dublin to Cork regularly it won't be a suitable car for you. My motorway range (albeit I drive at 120 and it had 22' wheels) was around 210 winter to 250 summer but remember that's 100-0, I was arriving home with nothing left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Funnily enough I was gooey eyed staring at this last night

    https://www.usedcarsni.com/2018-TESLA-Model-S-90D-Dual-Motor-Hatchback-5dr-Electric-Auto-4WD-378650703?make=807&model=201210304&keywords=&fuel_type=0&trans_type=0&age_from=0&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&body_style=0&location%5B%5D=0&location%5B%5D=0&homepage_search_attr=1&tab_id=0&search_type=1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Thanks yeah it's not a regular trip for us but it is the one we do most often and that's 3-4 times a year so just using as a barometer. It will mostly be shorter journeys to and from kids matches etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    €30k ideally but potentially a bit more for the right car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's a very good budget. A decent facelift Model S can be had for under €20k now

    On TSLA: I went full in on the $299 dip just now

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    Not willing to spend on a new EV given depreciation. All the value is in the 2nd hand market as far as I can tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    I'd prefer to spend less of course. There's plenty of other uses for the balance!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭John arse


    Tesla seem to be holding their value though,2023 model 3 still around €32k ISH?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Once you accept you at the same carry on as the lads in Ballybrit, it might work out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    All investments are risky. If you want zero risk, put your money on deposit, but with inflation that means you make a small loss every year. I only use money that if I lost it all, would not have a major negative impact on my life. The bulk of my savings are in my pension fund that I can not touch.

    That said, TSLA is one of the biggest stocks in the world. It is extremely unlikely it will become worthless. I do not need the money for anything else for the foreseeable. I tend to quickly take profits. The only realistic bad scenarios I can have are that the stock will go significantly down and stay down for a long time. I will hold. And the other one is that I have just taken a profit and sold all, and the stock will rise significantly further. I never have, but I should really consider, only playing with half and holding the other half long term

    I have already made significant profits from trading TSLA over many years

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,427 ✭✭✭markpb


    Don’t over-value the need to drive without stopping. You could do that trip right now with one five minute stop at a motorway service station and arrive with around 10% (according to ABRP based on my own MX75).

    The MX is a phenomenal family car. I have four kids so it’s on the road all the time, their GAA and swimming stuff lives permanently in the bottom section of the boot so it’s out of the way. We drove across Wales and England to France this summer with the six of us, two large suitcases, a medium suitcase, a bunch of smaller bags, two tennis rackets, two hurleys, a dozen teddy bears and other assorted stuff. Definitely a risky bet if stuff breaks down but I’ve been relatively lucky so far, all my stuff broke under warranty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭sk8board


    they don’t hold their value at all. They get listed at those prices perhaps, but don’t ever sell. Ever.

    We’ve discussed it here regularly for the last year or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Generalisation. Depends on the car, year, etc. I would expect the depreciation on a brand new RWD Model 3 to be lower than any other car for sale for similar value. But yeah, if you bought a terrible value for money €73k base white Model Y when it came out 3 years ago, it is now worth less than €30k

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,591 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I'd take whatever Graham walker lists them at as the market value for the model and year he clearly knows what he can sell them for.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    they must hold their value better than some. I can sell a 2022 MY today and jump into a 2022 ID4 with cash in my pocket. Both are same price new.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭John arse




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    In 2022, only the AWD MY was available and that’s exactly the same as anyone that bought the similar ID4 in 2022, the GTX which was also €70k. Both cars worth less than half their original price.



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