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Cycle infrastructure planned for north Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,049 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Was only talking to someone yesterday about whether Parliament Street combined with Capel Street held out some hope of an unstressful route to go north-south across the Liffey. I guess what happens with College Green and Dame Street determines how much this becomes a node in a larger attractive network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,675 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Folks are a little bit unsure of how it works at the moment. There's a massive roadworks obstruction at the top of Parliament street (hopefully some new outdoor seating) so when you're going contraflow and crossing over onto Grattan Bridge it's a bit tricky with the pedestrian crossing.

    Then a bit of confusion when you come off Grattan onto the bottom of Capel as you're still contraflow so a lot of pedestrians aren't expecting you. It's one of the tightest two way cycle lanes I've seen in the city so is a bit of a squeeze.

    Everyone will eventually get used to it, worth being extra careful at the moment though until they do! Overall, still far safer than what I was doing, bit quicker too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Looks fantastic and I'm sure all the brass monkey's will enjoy their old spot after being revamped for them. Gallons of Lindon Village will.be drunk to celebrate in style.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The part from Summerhill to Drumcondra looks almost finished, looking forward to that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Has the croke parky bit opened yet? Have been away until last night.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,535 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Yes it's open. The bit between Drumcondra and Bloody Sunday bridge remains closed for another month



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,535 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.gov.ie/en/office-of-public-works/press-releases/opw-welcomes-progress-on-works-to-the-commemorative-bridge-irish-national-war-memorial-gardens-dublin-8/

    Just seen this is finally progressing after so many years of chat. Unfortunately it seems the opw haven't come up with any real plan to integrate the bridge into the park on the north side 🙄 and it's not clear if they'll continue with their policy of aggression towards pedestrian and cyclists with restrictive closing times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Is it actually a useful link though? Is the Chapelizod road a desired route for pedestrians? Really its the Phoenix Park that needs to be connected as you note.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Any maps showing the location of it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I think it's going from the focal point of the Memorial straight north to land south of the Magazine Fort: https://maps.app.goo.gl/GayDaSYSpbepsckQ6



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,535 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    It's to exit on the northside at the ucd boat club but no real plan to integrate it into the park and Chapelizod road is a fairly hostile environment as it is for bikes and walkers



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i think i read that there are plans to remove some weirs on the liffey - i wonder would they be doing this here? or would that foul up the stretch where the boat clubs are too much?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,761 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's not only about links. It's an amenity it's it's own right.

    It's always useful to have alternative route. Personally I don't always go direct routes when cycling, I often go a longer route if it takes in something enjoyable.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    this is true, but you'd have to ask what extra benefit this brings; what larger picture there is here. if it's designed to take cycle traffic off the south circular, it'll only do so for 200m; it's quite a structure, and an investment for the extra benefit provided. if it's there to give access from the northside to the gardens, from people coming from the phoenix park, it'll save (in terms of distance travelled) at most maybe 200m.

    i don't know - and i sincerely doubt - that they want to facilitate through cyclists, such as commuters, from using the gardens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    There's already a cycle lane for almost 1km along the river from chapelizod to the entrance to the gardens, one can dream that the last stretch of 150m within the garden will then be upgraded.

    ONE CAN DREAM



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    on this - a google tells me the war memorial gardens is open 24 hours, but your post suggests otherwise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I believe the bridge will close in the evenings.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    whaaat?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭cletus


    It's the OPW. They're a disaster.

    We live relatively close to Emo Court in Laois. When my boys were small, we routinely brought them out to the lake, where we would cycle with like (like many others with small children).

    When the OPW took over the running of it, we were stopped, and told cycling was forbidden on safety grounds. I pointed out that we were out for a slow spin with two small boys, we were unlikely to be crit racing around the track, and that it was common to see families do this any weekend.

    The lady told me that the boys could cycle, but I had to put my bike back on the car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,761 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Remember opw closing the road behind the zoo citing roadworks on black horse ave. Until public and politician lashed them because it wasn't effected at all and they had to reopen it.

    Or they put all that stupid bollards in the park for cycle lanes citing pedestrian safety. Yet there is not a single pedestrian crossing on the main road.

    That said I do like the places the opw manage. I dunno if that's because if them or despite them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They are not open 24 hours. The bridge looks like it goes straight into the park, so it would have to be closed at the same time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,761 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Lads don't be hanging around in parks.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I live near Castletown House. It was okay in the past, but the potential for so much more, and then they messed up a bid on the land containing the access road and it's been a shitshow ever since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,761 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 97,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    It's tidal below that weir so no rowing if that goes.

    There's canoeing centres near some of the upstream weirs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Not sure where to post this, but comments on the Journalism thread triggered something for me…

    Is anyone else worried where the obsession with cycle lanes might take us? I get that they are a positive for cyclists in certain urban settings, but is the aim of categorising as much of the country as served by cycle lanes where we want to go? The political obsession with being able to point to €Xmillions spent on 'active travel' etc. Will it just lead to more and more views that there's no place for cyclists on roads… more calls for mandatory use of cycle lanes where they're provided (especially given that I'd say most people already think this is the case)? Will the argument be reduced to "why did you call for the government to spend gazillions of tax payers money on cycle lanes if you're not going to use them? Of course the law should be changed to make them compulsory"?

    I rarely use them except on places like dual carriageways (and even then the standards sometimes have me re-joining the main road to avoid being treated like a second class road user - see for example N11 southbound approaching Cherrywood flyover. I cycle faster than most casual commuters. My commute each way would be close to 40km. I don't want to/ can't dawdle. I need to overtake and don't want to be brought on scenic and time wasting detours by the cycle lane design. In normal school term traffic I'm faster than a car doing the same commute. I'm not some lycra warrior thinking I'm in the TdF, I'm not race training. I'm not the cycling equivalent of a boy racer in a Civic. If cycle lanes were to become the stick to beat cyclists like me with then it just wouldn't be worth it for me to cycle.

    Greenways have the potential to be incredible additions to the fabric of society. But I've rarely come across a cycle lane that I've been impressed by - they're either poorly designed (see above), poorly maintained or are effectively shared spaces with pedestrians. It's throwing good money at bad designs to fix the wrong problem. And I just assume that the cycling community will be blamed when it finally dawns on people that half the expenditure was wasted.

    On the other hand, I could just be overreacting 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,761 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The current law allows cyclists to use them as they suit. And not where they don't. Nothing really to complain about that. The law was charged...to make them non compulsory.

    Cyclists can hardly be blamed for wastefully designed and built cycle lanes.

    Cycle lanes are useful for a variety of reasons. Just because they don't suit us hardly a reason to dismiss them..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    All agreed, but that's not what I was getting at.



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