Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

This was me. I was of the belief it was being suggested that pilots are not adhering to the departures intentionally and was just mentioning most departures off 28R are flown by the autopilot and not hand flown. If I took it up wrong then you have my apologies, I didn’t intend to start additional debate.

Although, as mentioned above, there are deviations for a multitude of reasons which can’t be avoided. This isn’t rouge pilots buzzing houses.

I guess why not look good if your barn storming.

I was actually talking with an Aer Lingus pilot last week when this planning decision came out and apparently while initially when the runway opened they were encouraged to use the autopilot as early as possible to help the aircraft accurately steer clear of noise areas they've now been told the opposite and now must hand-fly the departures on the A320 as the autopilot was turning too early after departure on 28R some of the time so now it all has to be done by hand for at least the first turn away from the runway up towards the Naul.

This might explain some of the inconsistencies that were shown in the DAA report.

Apparently it was changed to manual only 3-4 weeks ago due to a number of incidents with aircraft turning too soon and close to the ground but it may have changed back to using the autopilot again since I spoke last weekend, I will admit I'm not an expert on the matter.

It definitely sounded like he was saying it was a recent change from having to use the autopilot to having to manually fly the departure.

This may be a rule implemented by a certain airline but it is absolutely not the case for all airlines. Regardless of this, the difference in hand down departures Vs autopilot flown departures should be minimal for well trained personnel.

We know what the outcome will be of course!

Probably not. As it is also in the infrastructure application, presumable in some revised format.

Dublin airport, Dublin airport, Dublin airport... lol! Living beside a busy road or temple bar etc, near many pubs, is going to be far worse... shut all of them down ...

In decades when airplanes are near silent, what will the excuse be then ? They don't want to be overlooked by 50,000,000 people from a few km overhead ?

I'd guess that the underpass that is on the 40m infrastructure application is an update of the that is approved, and that is the one they now want to build.

That means nothing really though. They'd have expected a few months ever since they public consultation closed.

The 36m application is probably more critical though. I would make sense if that was first. But, neither FCC or DAA makes a lot of sense to date.

No idea. What are the developments you refer to?

Due to announce a timeline soon.

Some interesting figures a few days ago in the SBP on DUB's infrastructure:

"Dublin Airport is set to have its busiest day ever in its 85-year history, with 132,000 passengers passing through the airport on Sunday [Aug 17th].

“If every day of the year was 132,000, that's 48 million. I think it shows the capacity of the team, the capacity of the operational organisation, that we can process that number of passengers and in a very efficient, safe and secure way,” he said."

48mn pax at current development is probably a slight bit of a stretch, but it does show the airport has quite considerable capacity to grow still.

(and how much of a farce the yearly 30mn cap was..)

Hopefully now that expansion is possible again we see numbers, and destinations, increasing rapidly.

https://www.businesspost.ie/companies/dublin-airport-set-for-busiest-day-ever-accommodating-over-130000-passengers/

“If every day of the year was 132,000, that's 48 million. I think it shows the capacity of the team, the capacity of the operational organisation, that we can process that number of passengers and in a very efficient, safe and secure way,” he said."

48mn pax at current development is probably a slight bit of a stretch, but it does show the airport has quite considerable capacity to grow still.

It's more than a slight stretch, it's nonsense. That's not demand and capacity works. There's peak and off-peak times. In/Out bound etc. The CEO obvious knows that, the quote is not supposed to be taken seriously. Though is does get media spin out there, again for obvious reasons.

Further down he claims 40m as the actually operational limit. Even that's prob a stretch. It's one thing to say that unchecked in the paper. But it formal technical reports (ie ones that will be fact checked), DAA put forward lower figures, from memory 36m.

(and how much of a farce the yearly 30mn cap was.

Not really. The airport today benefits from from online check in, security upgrades, bigger planes, etc.
On Day 1 of T2 in 2010, it would struggle with 132k in a day.

The cap is 32m, because DAA designed T2 to increased capacity to 32m (based of the FCC development plan). There's always redundancy in a system. The the idea that planned a 48m airport and got slapped with a 32m limit is a myth.

The 36m no-build application should of went in by 2019, and DAA should be tabling 44m now.

Demand and capacity are two very different things.

If DUB is currently capable of handling 132,000 pax in a day with no problems, as last Sunday showed, then it would be capable of handling 80-90% of that every day of the year with no issues, if the demand was there.

Which would suggest the current infrastructure could take somewhere in approx 40-44mn pax p.a. as a ceiling, if it was forced to.

Nobody is saying all further development should stop until that is reached, just that that it shows how ridiculous a year based cap was instead of a day based cap, given the already existing infrastructure's proven much higher daily capacity capabilities.

But joyously the cap is dead now anyway at least so upwards progress can, and apparently is, rapidly resuming. We should see 40mn pax quite soon this decade, and 50mn in the 2030s.