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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Randycove


    still don’t see what this has to do with Victoria Starmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The EU after their review found Israel was in violation of the trade agreement should have issued sanctions against Israel immediately. The EU has the power to make the Israeli government to think again given it's Israel's largest trading partner,but it won't. They don't need any reviews to place sanctions on Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭freebritney


    It's actually something to watch you describe a planned and coordinated colonisation of a country with regular migration. It would be akin to describing the Scottish protestant settlement of Ireland in the 1600's as migration, probably why their ancestors are among the biggest supporters of Zionism.

    The western governments forsaw the trouble but dismissed or ignored their own reports due to Zionist pressure.

    "1. The 1930 Hope-Simpson Report (UK)

    • Context: Commissioned after the 1929 Arab riots in Palestine.
    • Findings: Warned that Jewish immigration and land purchases were displacing Arab tenants, and that economic absorptive capacity was being exceeded.
    • Outcome: Although public, its findings were largely dismissed. The subsequent Passfield White Paper (1930), which endorsed its concerns, faced fierce Zionist opposition and was eventually undermined by a letter from PM Ramsay MacDonald (often called the "Black Letter") reassuring Zionists.

    2. The 1937 Peel Commission Report (UK)

    • Context: Investigated the causes of the 1936–39 Arab Revolt.
    • Findings: Recognized deep-rooted Arab opposition to Zionism and concluded that partition might be the only solution.
    • Outcome: Though it laid groundwork for partition, the British ultimately shelved the plan due to Arab rejection and Zionist dissatisfaction with the proposed territory.

    3. The 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry

    • Context: Formed to assess the political, economic, and social conditions in Mandatory Palestine post-WWII.
    • Findings: Acknowledged Arab fears of Jewish domination, criticized Jewish underground violence, and recommended allowing 100,000 Jewish refugees into Palestine while maintaining Arab rights.
    • Outcome: Recommendations were not implemented. British and American governments found them politically unworkable amid intensifying Zionist lobbying and Arab opposition.

    4. U.S. State Department and Intelligence Warnings (1940s)

    • U.S. diplomats such as Loy Henderson and George Kennan warned of severe repercussions for U.S. interests in the Middle East if full support was given to Zionism or the creation of a Jewish state without Arab consent.
    • These warnings were often overridden by domestic political pressures, especially in an election context where Zionist lobbying had significant influence.

    Was There Suppression?

    • Active suppression? In a few cases, yes — particularly when reports or policies conflicted with prevailing political aims. The Morrison-Grady Plan of 1946, for example, was quietly dropped after Zionist opposition, even though it reflected U.S.-UK consensus.
    • More common: Reports were published or acknowledged but politically ignored, undermined, or walked back under pressure.

    Conclusion

    Yes, both governments had early assessments that foresaw the long-term instability caused by unbalanced Zionist settlement in Palestine and warned against it. However, geopolitical interests, wartime alliances, lobbying power, and public opinion in Western nations led to those warnings being overridden, muted, or ignored — setting the stage for enduring conflict."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You are giving cause to Hams for keeping the hostages. An excuse even.

    I'll repeat again and again. I very much doubt 20 hostages is the only thing keeping Israel from killing 2 million people. The vast majority of Israelis want the war to end, as soon as the hostages are released.
    The Israeli military want the war to end as its soldiers and reservists are exhausted.
    But you are free to believe what you want, but you are not entitled to your own facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You seem to be on a bit of roll there as regards the constructive feedback.

    And I note that you've declined the questions again.

    I'll try another - what hard-hitting sanctions do you think Ireland can apply to Israel (without breaking EU rules)?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Are you saying that Jews have the right to a permanent Jewish majority to maintain an ethno state in perpetuity?

    Of course they have that right, its their state after all.



    You appear outraged that Jews would be prevented from migrating to where members of their religion lived millennia ago but are fine with Israel preventing the migration of Palestinians to where their parents and grandparents lived decades ago.

    This is what happens when one side loses a war, a war they started, mind you.

    The Germans don't whinge about being kicked out of Prussia, now modern-day Poland, do they? Millions of ethnic Germans left Poland, Czechoslovakia and other states in Eastern Europe. They lost the war, so they got turfed out. Do you think they all should have a right of return?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    "Stop the boats!"

    Is this your answer to the question? Jewish migrants should have been expelled and prevented from entering Palestine. You say that in 2025 amid the backdrop in a rise of far-right rhetoric that pretty much expounds similar talking points..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭freebritney


    My answer is this colonial project was doomed from the start and everyone knew it.

    No Mark, no matter how you try to compare members of a religious extremeist colonial movement with migrants it won't work. I suppose you could classify Putin's troops as adventure tourists going on that take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Is that the best lily livered response you can manage? 7 vague words. At least you responded to be fair. I am only asking for your honest opinion.

    "Most likely" - open your eyes man...

    I don't know what "given the conflict" means. Is that some kind of validation?

    Take "collective punishment" for example, do you not see the absolute wealth of evidence for that???? It's hard to miss.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Randycove


    I’m not interested in playing the “if you don’t think like I do you must be a Zionist genocidal killer” games thanks.
    Ireland could put a ban on all imports from Israel anytime it likes. It is pressing ahead with the occupied territories bill, so why not a full ban on Israeli imports?

    When Intel realize they can’t take advantage of Irish tax loopholes and will have to pay tens of millions in extra tax, I’m pretty sure they will be piling the pressure on Israel and the US to put things right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    No, it's an honest assessment. This is a vicious war, perpetuated by 2 sides who hate each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So Jews migrating to Palestine were NOT migrants…?

    The comparisons with Putin is laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No it's not an honest assessment. I was honest and perfectly clear with you re Hamas and hostages. You are being as vague as you possibly can. Why...I don't know. I find it quite weird. I even see you reverted to the "war is hell" line to weasel your way out even though ALL the murdering is being done by one side for a long time. But let's park that regurgitation for a minute.

    Let's go thru the possible war crimes and see where you are at.

    Let's start with "Collective punishment" (Article 55 and 33) for example, do you not see the absolute wealth of evidence for war crimes there?

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Polls suggest that the Israeli public are fully behind the slaughter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Eh Mark. Germans have the right to live in Poland and Slovakia and Slovenia.

    You believe a Jewish person living in New York, whose great, great grandparents emigrated from Poland has more right to migrate to Israel/Palestine than someone whose parents, grandparents and great grandparents lived there.

    Do you support ethno states for all groups or only one particular group?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Who is playing games? You seem pretty angry and lacking in manners. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.

    You certainly need to read up on EU law and educate yourself - here's a taster of precisely why Ireland can't ban all Israeli imports:

    "The EU has a comprehensive set of trade agreements with various countries, including Israel. These agreements dictate the rules and regulations for trade between the EU and its partners."

    As regards the Occupied Territories Bill, it is based on an ICJ judgement and is supported by the EU for those member states who wish to implement the ICJ findings.

    Your Intel comment makes no sense at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    @markodaly seems to partially disagree:

    The vast majority of Israelis want the war to end, as soon as the hostages are released.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,991 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support-expulsion-palestinians-gaza-poll

    An overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support the transfer of Palestinians from Gaza, according to a poll by Pennsylvania State University.

    The survey, conducted in March and published by Haaretz newspaper on Thursday, found that 82 percent of Israeli Jews support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip.

    Meanwhile, 47 percent of Israeli Jews answered yes to the question: "Do you support the claim that the [Israeli army] in conquering an enemy city, should act in a manner similar to the way the Israelites did when they conquered Jericho under the leadership of Joshua, ie to kill all its inhabitants?" The reference is to the biblical account of the conquest of Jericho.

    I think the only thing stopping Israel from doing worse to the Palestinians isn't Israeli public opinion, but rather international opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Eh Mark. Germans have the right to live in Poland and Slovakia and Slovenia.

    Well, because the Eastern European states are now part of the EU, but before 2001, nope.
    Are they able to get their homes and land back?

    You believe a Jewish person living in New York, whose great, great grandparents emigrated from Poland has more right to migrate to Israel/Palestine than someone whose parents, grandparents and great grandparents lived there.

    Are you talking about the right to return? Up to a million Jews left or were forced to leave other Arab countries after the 1948 war, should they be allowed to move back to Iran and places like that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.timesofisrael.com/breaking-with-pm-74-of-israelis-back-war-ending-deal-to-free-all-hostages-poll/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    And 20 hostages are the only thing from that transpiring?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The colonial project continues -

    "Ministers and MKs from the right-wing coalition wrote to Defense Minister Israel Katz, demanding that he allow them to tour the northern perimeter of the Gaza Strip.

    The letter, issued Wednesday, states that the purpose of the requested tour is to "explore settlement possibilities" in the northern perimeter of the Gaza Strip, an area in the northern part of Gaza they claim "is under full control of the Israel Defense Forces, empty of Gazans and has no extraordinary security restrictions."

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-30/ty-article-live/several-western-states-weigh-recognizing-independent-palestinian-state-for-first-time/00000198-5905-d843-af99-df1da21e0000?liveBlogItemId=1958020379#1958020379



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Tens of thousands of people were compensated for losing their property after WW2.

    “Forced to leave”? The Israelis were covertly bombing synagogues and Jewish businesses to persuade Jews to flee to the safety of Israel.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Israeli government ministers who Netanyahu is completely reliant on to stay in power (and by extension, stay out of jail) are openly talking about the forced displacement of 2 million Palestinians, herding them into a concentration camp or evicting them from their own land but Mark in Ireland says it'll all stop once the hostages are released.

    You said the below in response to another poster. It is actually beyond pathetic now. What you posted is not fact. It is opinion. And the longer it goes on and the more desperate your arguments get, I am starting to believe it is not even your opinion anymore either and you're just sticking to the party line, regardless of how ridiculous it looks.

    The Israeli military want the war to end as its soldiers and reservists are exhausted.

    But you are free to believe what you want, but you are not entitled to your own facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,763 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Ireland jumped the gun on its recognition of Palestine, even their neighbours are calling for surrender and an end to Hamas.

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/arab-nations-tell-hamas-to-end-rule-in-gaza-hand-over-weapons-8979327

    https://nypost.com/2025/07/29/world-news/qatar-saudi-arabia-egypt-join-calls-for-hamas-to-disarm-and-exit-gaza-to-end-war-with-israel/


    "In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State," said the declaration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,595 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you think that the oppression of women in the Middle East is only on a par with Ireland of 30 years ago, you have some serious blinkers on. A Palestinian court ruled only a couple of years ago that an adult unmarried woman couldn't travel abroad without the permission of her brother. The laws on hijab in Iran provide for execution. Women aren't allowed drive in many of those countries. Ireland never had laws or culture as draconian as those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,595 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You are delusional to think that Intel would act in that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,595 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It seems that the only people in the world excusing and justifying Hamas continuing to hold onto the hostages are on this thread.

    I have been saying this for pages now, there is a real opportunity for lasting peace if Hamas do the right thing and surrender.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Approximately 12-14 million Germans were forcibly displaced after WWII. They got nothing in compensation from the likes of Poland of Cezhlosovkia. In fact these countries would demand to be compensated for WW2.

    The only compensation Germans got was from West Germany itself after they set up a "Equalization of Burdens Law" in 1952. So you are entirely wrong in your points about Germans being compensated for their loss.

    There is no evidence or credible scholarly consensus of a systematic Israeli campaign to plant bombs in synagogues throughout the Arab world for the purpose you propose. The Baghdad case remains the most cited, with partial evidence and contested claims.



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