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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Randycove




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I agree with you wholeheartedly - the bombings and executions, the reneging on a a ceasefire, the mass starvation, the claims to annex Gaza and ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, the construction of a concentration camp, chucking out the UN and installing GHF, commandeering terrorists in Gaza…

    Israel has much to answer for. No-one is going to stop Israel by force. But the world will punish them for their genocide and war crimes. I put my faith in whatever justice the ICC and ICJ will mete out.

    Israel will become like Germany in 1945 and in the following years when people discovered the true horror, extent, cruelty and inhumanity of the Holocaust. Israel will be made to pay reparations.

    I have been sick to my stomach of the atrocities perpetuated by Israel - the neonates left to decompose, the little girl in the car, the 15 medics, the nuns, the medics, the 900 children who did not reach their first birthday, the three Israeli hostages, the Israelis murdered by both Hamas and Israel. No-one can bring them back. But they can be mourned and Israel can be punished.

    Those who facilitated Israel are equally responsible for these horrors. Those in power who chose to do nothing, equally so. They will carry the guilt also and must be called out for it.

    There is still a lot of this conflict to play out - I have no idea how it will end. But Israel must stop now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    That is a lie - many here have called for the removal of Hamas since day one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Randycove


    You are obsessed with what Starmer is and isn’t doing, yet you have no criticism of the Irish government?
    Surely if you believe sanctions are the key, you should have been calling for the Irish government to impose them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,995 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The idiots are the ones who back the genocide ffs. I haven't seen any poster say that they didn't want the hostages released. Hamas will disarm but the actions of Israel's apartheid regime will ensure that there's always some armed group ready to take their place. The only way to stop that is to treat people with respect and Israel has never done that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    the Irish government and the president have a done a lot more than many governments.

    I recall how Ireland was lambasted here for enjoining the SA case before the ICJ. There are plenty here who want Ireland to do nothing to upset Israel.

    Where do you stand? Do you support Israel or condemn Israel?

    If the latter, do you condemn Ireland for doing nowhere near enough?

    If the former, do you condemn Ireland vexing Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    There can be no doubt that Hamas set a trap for Israel knowing psycho Bibi would be chomping at the bit to exact revenge for the October 7th attack. He didn't disappoint. I imagine they expected that holding hostages would prevent the carnage Israel has wreaked on Gaza. We know differently now.

    Israel has revealed itself to be a genocidal maniacal society devoid of humanity, perspective and in the thrall to Zionism which seeks to create a greater Israel by removing the native Palestinians from the river to the sea. I don't think the mask has slipped. Israel has always been overt in it's desire and means of achieving a greater Israel. It's just now it's gone to the point where the world has been forced to face up to the consequences of a settler colonial project which it allowed be created in 1948.

    I can't say how exactly Israel will cease to exist as I'm not mystic meg. But I'm confident it is in the end game. A state that perpetrates such a heinous atrocity against a defenceless population has lost it's right to exist. Many see my prediction of Israel's demise as fantasy/wishful thinking. That's fine.

    Two years ago nobody would have predicted Israel would stoop to such depravity as to be compared with the Nazis. Yet here we are. Israel has signed her own death warrant. Long live a free Palestine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I see the Israeli lies are continuing…

    Israel reneged on the last ceasefire and Israel abandoned the hostages last year. It is Israel that sabotaged any chance of peace in order to raze Gaza, annex it and ethically cleanse the Palestinians..

    • In a press conference on Tuesday, Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar said that if a Palestinian state were to be established at this time, it would be a "Hamas state" and a "jihadist state." Sa'ar further claimed that "international pressure is directly sabotaging the chances for a cease-fire and hostage deal" between Israel and Hamas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    I think Hamas probably expected a ground invasion rather than aerial assault due to having hostages, but obviously didn't think the Hannibal Directive would be used on them even though admittedly some hostages were IDF soldiers.

    Ground invasion would have meant they get to attack soldiers though they knew it was a suicide mission in the end and Israel would pull out all stops.

    Ironically though it did put the Palestinian story at the forefront of world attention whereas before the IDF and settler actions would barely make a news item on anything other than Al Jazeera or France24



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You can use all the justification in the world, but holding onto the hostages as a backstop is wrong and is a war crime.

    The hostages should be released unconditionally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Funny, here was me thinking one side having a large majority was the basis of democracy, but I must of got that mixed up.

    Democracy for the majority, tyranny for the minority. We have seen it time and time again in history.

    Sure, why didn't Ireland remain part of the UK, after all, the majority of the UK didn't want us to leave? Fair is fair.. right?

    You think what has happened in Israel/Palestine is better than what occurred in NI? What happened in NI is a drop in the ocean compared to Mandatory Palestine.

    Eh?
    I am not comparing which is worse or better. But there are differences here. Ireland and the PIRA were eventually prepared to sit down and talk and compromise. The Palestinians had many opportunities to compromise, but refused them all. If you keep being stubborn, keep fighting and losing, then what do you expect after 80 years of losing?

    Who created the ethnic mix after WW1? Who backed the creation of a Jewish state? Who ignored the wishes of the Arabs? 

    Jews made up a large part of the British Mandate, its not as if there were no Jews there. Many more came after first world war as migrants. That is what migrants do, they migrate to other countries. Are you saying that the Jews should have been prevented from migrating to Palestine, so that the Arabs could maintain an ethnic overall majority?
    That is quite a right wing view point, dont you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    The whole free the hostages is a ruse. Given the passage of time, the lack of food in Gaza and the maniacal bombing by the Israeli bastards committing genocide whose to say the hostages are even alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Randycove


    what has the Irish government done other than issue a few sound bites to take the wind out of Sinn Fein’s sales?

    We are issuing more “dual use” licenses than ever, irelands continues to be Israel’s second biggest export destination and we are about to purchase a load of drones from an Israeli arms company.
    but hey, we recognise Palestine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,447 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    To be honest, your belief is in fact quite deluded. Consider that Germany did not 'cease to exist' after the Holocaust, for example.

    As a quick, top of the head response, the best result would likely involve the prosecution of quite a large number of Israeli war criminals (including criminal settlers), reform of civil society, the legislature, judiciary, military, repeal of various laws, the reversal of settlements, widespread reparations, an agreed two state solution, and UN peacekeepers on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Pretty sure Germany got broken up into East and West for 45 years. I must have imagined that. Oh well! Either way Israel is finished. The clock is ticking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭circadian


    I suspect when Bibi and his cronies go to jail, the next government will most likely be an opposition party that will offer them up to the ICC as a means of taking the heat off Israel.

    I feel like it's inevitable the wheels will come off, sooner rather than later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    you got a source for your claims?

    And care to answer the questions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Well that is your view - release them and see what happens. But I dont think you are taking the situation as serious as it is (or maybe you are and just couldn't give a fiddlers what happens to all those starving people who Israel have made sitting ducks).

    Keeping hostages is a warcrime, but I'm not convinced Gaza won't be " wiped off the face the Earth" once it releases them.

    Post edited by Miniegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Randycove


    if you read actual news outlets rather than focusing on war porn, you wouldn’t need sources, because they are in every Irish news outlet

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millions-of-euro-in-dual-use-goods-exported-from-ireland-to-israel-since-october-2023-minister-reveals/a1917551365.html

    Millions of euro in dual-use goods exported from Ireland to Israel since October 2023, minister reveals | Irish Independent

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2025/0729/1525966-court-airspace-weapons/

    Legal action over weapons transport within Irish airspace

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/22/which-countries-trade-the-most-with-israel-and-what-do-they-buy-and-sell

    Which countries trade the most with Israel and what do they buy and sell? | Business and Economy News | Al Jazeera

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/08/21/israeli-firms-can-bid-for-army-drones-contract-despite-government-reservations/

    Israeli arms companies can bid for Irish drones contract – The Irish Times

    I have used “Israel,Slaughter and Palestinians” in the same sentence. I think my views on this are pretty obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Are you saying that Jews have the right to a permanent Jewish majority to maintain an ethno state in perpetuity?


    Read your own post and think about it.

    You appear outraged that Jews would be prevented from migrating to where members of their religion lived millennia ago but are fine with Israel preventing the migration of Palestinians to where their parents and grandparents lived decades ago.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Fair play, very telling pieces.

    It shows the tokenism political soundbites. The otb's, the recognition of the palestinian state, govt and presidential speeches. Israel hasn't blinked at any of it and continue unabated. The horror screeching is useless, firm action hasn't been implemented by any Western state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Just watching the news on vm1, explosions lighting up the sky over gaza, still huge problems getting in aid with less than half needed getting through, not much sign of any change in Israeli tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Absolutely.

    None of this sh*te feeds starving people, it's all a show.

    The world has to force Israel to let in UN aid immediately, no conditions, or risk the strictest sanctions and possibility of a coalition of militaries going into Gaza to ensure aid is distributed.

    All this stuff about recognizing a Palestinian state doesn't mean much if all the Gazans are dead - maybe if it happened years ago all of this could have been prevented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,633 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Starmer supports Zionism, this was taken just before he was elected as party leader. He may of changed since like.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I read plenty of news outlets thanks - and there's no need to be uncivil by accusing me of focusing on "war porn" - whatever that means.

    So, apart from the fact that one of your sources is paywalled and the use of Irish airspace is currently under review (and has been raised multiple times) you've really nothing to add other than Ireland buys ICs for use in medical equipment. We don't buy weapons, battle tanks or ammunition.

    I see you deftly avoided my questions so can I assume your views are that you obviously support the slaughter of Palestinians by Israel (using your three words in one sentence)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I totally agree. They should be released immediately and it is a war crime.

    Now a question that your buddy refused to answer. Have Israel committed any war crimes?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,991 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    But what type of zionism?

    The problem is that if you think that Israel should exist, within it's current borders, then you're a zionist. And I believe that it should. However there's right wing zionists who have said that you're not a zionist unless you support every action that Israel takes,. You're not a zionist unless you support the settlements. You're not a zionists unless you support blocking all aid to gaza etc….

    The word has lost almost all meaning. It tells you nearly nothing about the beliefs/opinions of the people who use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The damage is already done. Israel has obliterated Gaza. It occupies 88% of the strip which it is systematically demolishing.

    Even if the world saves the remaining Gazans by ending the Genocide, what happens next?

    What Israel has done has been carefully calculated from day one. They know simply killing Gazans is not enough - they have to ensure Gaza is a wasteland. Job done.

    There are few hospitals left and none are fully functional. Agricultural land is destroyed. Infrastructure is gone. Schools and universities destroyed. Religious sites turned to dust. Those remaking Gazans - many injured - are and will remain traumatised and many will never work again (not that there are any jobs anyhow).

    No, the devastation in Gaza is designed to preclude any notion of any kind of normal life even when a ceasefire is agreed.

    By pushing for Palestinian recognition with conditions (one is that there is no annexation of the WB) there is some hope that Gaza can be rebuilt. Israel must pay for that.

    I agree that "strong condemnations" will not save Gazans in the short term, politically, they will give the state of Palestine some hope. They have shown their appreciation and recognise that at least there is vocal support for their cause and for the Israeli genocide to end.

    The last ceasefire was an opportunity for Gaza to recover. We know what happened then. Israel went into berserker mode and here we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Randycove


    that is an absolutely pathetic post. It’s as bad as those who claim anyone who doesn’t support Israeli actions is anti semetic.
    The Irish government has quite clearly talked the talk but hasn’t even bothered putting its shoes on as far as walking the walk goes because it doesn’t want to upset the US pharma and Tech industry. As the largest importer of Israeli stuff outside of the US (which let’s face it, probably ends up all over Europe but is invoiced to an Irish subsidiary to avoid paying tax) Ireland has a unique position to step up and impose some hard hitting sanctions, but it won’t.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,413 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    'this is the problem with Israel, carte blanche for blow-ins to take from the natives in the middle east'



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