Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

And that's the fear isn't it.

There are moderate Muslims out there, some decent, kind people we probably work or live alongside who as you say, have made effort to integrate. Ultimately though, their loyalty is to their religion.

The fact that Ireland never had an empire or that some Irish wave Palestinian flags is neither here nor there. We're part of Europe, part of the west. Taking over the territories of it's nemesis is such a prize for the fundamentalists that you can bet your last euro they'll become the dominant force as Ireland's muslim population grows.

The moderates will simply fall in line and we can also expect to see the rag tag army of random men who've rocked up here suddenly finding new purpose. How many times have we read after jihadist attacks that the perpetrators were men from marginalised backgrounds, involved in crime and/or with mental illness who have been promised the earth by warped preachers? There's plenty of that type now here and ripe for the picking.

To be inviting this on ourselves is madness of the highest order, especially when the evidence from some of the most liberal countries in Europe is that this does not end well.

Irish Citizen and born in Ireland is similar to how the perpetrator in Southport knife attack last year was described.

Unlike the UK news outlets RTE and Irish media in general very rarely mention terrorism

I do think it’s facile and I think you incredibly naive to believe the USA invaded Iraq because “God told” George Bush to do it.

What was the “Christian” aspect of the invasion then? Were they sent to evangelise? Were they sent to exterminate non believers?

Hilarious that you take George Bush at face value and believe that bullshıt, it was all about the balance of power in the Middle East and oil. Had F all to do with Christianity.

"A man Irish born"

" An Irish man"

"A white Irish man"

" A white Irish man born in Ireland"

All the above is code for an Irish born man

"A man" is code for please don't riot.

Indeed, we might not even have standing room.

Ah yes, when a devout born-again Christian openly talks about how his faith influenced his decision to invade Iraq — it is naive to believe that his faith influenced his decision to invade Iraq. When the demonstrated evangelical Christian, born again in the 1980s, who several times has made remarks about his calling from God in his decision-making and who described American freedom and liberal values a "gift from God" (a gift which he tried to shove backwards up Afghanistan's behind) — it's naive to believe that when the guy says he thinks God gave him a mission to invade Iraq, he absolutely did not mean it. OK.

I guess that's a benefit of the doubt that you will absolutely never apply to any Muslim who does wrong. And did you ignore the Israel point deliberately or is it also naive to believe that Christian thinking in the US has influenced their policy of backing Israel to the hilt as it slaughters, starves and wipes out Gaza without consequence?

In any event the point still remains — whether the motivations are religion, influence, balance of power, politics or whatever else — the Western world's 'culture' as regards intervention and exploitation of Muslim countries has been far worse than vice versa. But it's not in our name of course, it's not representative and we shouldnt generalise Western society on that basis.

Anyway I saw the woman across the street wearing a burkha so Muslims obviously can't integrate.

Yes I think you’re incredibly naive to believe that George Bush’s personal thoughts provided the casus belli for an international invasion that cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives. Embarrassingly naive.

So what were the actual Christian aspects of the Iraq invasion? If it was a big Christian affair like you’re trying to pretend where were the forced conversions, the legions of evangelists sent to convert the unbelievers? Why were the populace permitted to remain practising Muslims following the regime toppling in this grand Christian invasion you’re imagining?

Then on the other hand you’ve the Islamic terrorist that actually will literally kill people for the crime of not being Muslim and will say as much. They’ll literally shout “God is great” while doing it, they all do. All of the leaders and all of the soldiers on the ground too. They will openly say that they’re killing others for not being Muslims or living in a way that is anathema to Islam. They will openly say they are murdering people because they’ve disrespected or represented their prophet.

Salman Rushdie was nearly murdered for writing “blasphemy” - is that why Saddam Hussein died? Did George Bush put some kind of “Christian” fatwa on him for disrespecting Christianity? Or can you just be intellectually honest for a moment and admit that it was a political and not religiously motivated invasion?

No sure dont you know its only in certain countries. We live on another planet.

The british farmers were on the news just the other day telling us that climate change was affecting yeilds year on year but hey.

You think I'm dripping with discrimination because I used the words 'pure Irish ethnicity'?

This really shows what's wrong with the world today. We've come through an enlightened period where society came to the conclusion that racism is wrong and differences should be celebrated not vilified, and rightly so, but then a huge cohort of society swung the pendulum way too far in the other direction. So much so that you can't even acknowledge or describe difference without being held guilty of the big 'R'.

I am no racist but I'm also no adherent to the prevailing bandwagon whatever that may be. In fact the constant baseless accusations of racism and discrimination are more likely to push people away from the moderate ground and into the arms of the far right than anything else.

'Dripping with discrimination' because I dared to reference Irish ethnicity during a discussion on Irish immigration policy. Absolute tosh.

Are you actually arguing that the Islamic religion is a more tolerant, peaceful and progressive than the christian society that embedded judeao Christian values that have shaped modern western society and allowed secularism to thrive?

Can you explain how women's rights have progressed in Muslim countries in line with the western world?

Are you saying that the crusades should never have happened? Should Christians have submitted to Allah? Why did the crusades happen? Would the world be a better place if it was entirely Muslim today? How are things working out for Christians in Lebanon?

So whats your position.

You are not for mass immigration? But you are against the anti immigration posts here? Do you think the immigration levels are about right?

Let them in in the first place? The guy was born here and is an Irish citizen.