Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

Laughing at a person who posts the Ivory Coast flag instead of the Irish flag, not that outrageous TBH. I'm sure plenty did.

Aw right so one minute you're telling us Muslims can't integrate and the next minute you're giving us examples of a Muslim who has integrated. It's almost like, what, the billion Muslims on the planet are a diverse group of people with different desires and motivations.

You talk about the unique problem with Muslims. As we speak, Muslims are being slaughtered in Gaza using weaponry happily supplied by Christian countries. In my lifetime alone, Christian countries have militarily invaded Muslim countries, bombed them, killed thousands upon thousands of Muslims, laid waste to Muslim neighbourhoods, and forced regime changes in Muslim countries. Christian countries have interfered in Muslim countries for decades and have often been instrumental in actually pushing Muslim countries towards Islamic radicalism and away from secularism.

As for Muslims, a small number (infinetismally smaller than the number of attacks launched by Christian countries in Muslim countries and with far smaller death tolls) of them have partaken in terror attacks in Europe and ehh some of the women cover their faces.

The Muslim has long had, and still has, far more to fear from a Christian West that will gladly bomb them the air, or aid and abet those who do, but Muslims are the problem because they don't dress like we dress or something.

I wouldn't waste your time.

You're more than likely arguing with a switch-case statement that forgot the break;

Muslims are not a problem for me in their own countries but as I've said my view is that in general there is a compatibility issue between the muslims original cultures and ours here in the West. I can make that general statement at the same time as pointing out the occasional Muslim that does integrate well. The problem is with the group not the individual. Its ok to say this.

As for Gaza and all the terrible things the Christian countries did. I don't find it relevant to Ireland's specific immigration policies and it sounds more like a western privilege self-loathing exercise. Ireland doesn't need to take responsibility for everything because somebody somewhere did bad stuff one time or another.

Still going to flat earth conspiracy sites then for your information.

It's the context and the way it's done. It irks me that someone comes here from Pakistan and takes issue with the fact that some Irish people don't actually want Islam marching all over the GPO where our forefathers fought and died. He attacks people for their failure to be more tolerant with them while simultaneously failing to acknowledge their genuine concerns. Every criticism is answered with a racism accusation and/or an insulting retort. I feel like he speaks to the Irish from a pontificating pulpit once occupied by the church but which we have moved away from, and he should show more respect to Irish people.

You made a claim there are people promoting mass immigration.

I asked for evidence of this.

You have since posted a series of nonsense posts none of which prove anyone is promoting mass immigration on this thread.

That you can't find a single comment shows how stupid your line of argument is.

#WEF

Who needs facts when you can have selective outrage.

RTE hadn’t provided that information at the time of my post and updated their article in the interim

Watch the video for yourself, the guy certainly doesn’t look Irish, can wait and see what info comes out.

But we aren't talking merely about religion — we are talking about the cultural makeup of the Muslim world and the apparent threat it poses to our Western society by virtue of perceived inability of Muslim people to integrate, which includes Islamic fundamentalism.

The unfairness inherent in those views is made abundantly clear by your own reaction to my post — you leap to exclude, differentiate and draw nuance — but you will not do the same for Muslims. If a Muslim were to say that our Western society is a more dangerous culture than theirs, based on the fact that Western nations have actually attacked, invaded and toppled Muslim countries and contributed to chaos in the Middle East for its own selfish ends, you would be saying "ah but that's not all of us, it's not emblematic of Western culture, most Westerners don't want to harm Muslims and just want to live in peace". But that view will never be reciprocated for Muslims — they must always be viewed through a narrow homogenous lens.

Again, the argued difference that it "wasn't done in the name Christianity" is a poor argument — because it was still done in the name of perceived Western interests, whether those interests were religious, cultural, political, economic or whatever. They clearly were not representative of the everyday Western person — but if you arent willing to apply that to others, why should it be applied to you?

Oh and let's be clear — the United States is very much a country that is influenced strongly by Christian fundamentalism. And let's not pretend Tony Blair didn't say that his decision to partake in the invasion of Iraq wasn't steered by his faith. Some of the worst acts ever perpetrated on our own island were also strongly influenced by Christian division.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/04/world/europe/blair-invokes-god-in-decision-to-send-british-troops-to-iraq.html

It seems very convenient that you're allowed to make broad generalisations about Muslims based on the actions of some Muslims but if the logic is reversed on the West as a means of demonstrating the failings of such generalisations, well, that's just not relevant and it's a self loathing exercise. It doesn't get much more convenient than saying "I am going to apply this logic but I will only apply it to the extent that it can't be applied to me".

And what do we mean that the "occasional" Muslim integrates well? Most Muslims co-exist perfectly harmoniously in the countries to which they migrate. The problem is that some peoples' idea of what constitutes integration seems to mean that Muslims have to become more Irish than the Irish themselves, and that nothing short of the complete abandonment of anything pertaining to their faith, whether it be prayers in public or what they wear, can be considered "integrated".

The knots these people created, all predicted here long ago.

Either label everyone's ethnicity, or no one's. By trying to control things with selective reporting they only damage their own integrity.