Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

So because Irish people (who are the responsibility of the Irish state) have committed crimes here, we are liable to accept similar criminals from all over the world?

And any thoughts on the fact that the Parnell st stabber had been issued a deportation order?

Who gives a **** if he was “ill” - the salient point is that he should not have been here in the first place, and the government’s permissive attitude on this resulted in him being in the position to destroy numerous people’s lives in a barbaric and disgusting attack.

As time moves on, and cases reach sentencing, we will see and be able to discuss more freely what is happening in this country. People will contuine to have their head in the sand, but it is beyond doubt we don't live in safe old Ireland anymore.

Didn't downplay anything, I just don't think nationality matters when it comes to schizophrenia and the mad **** it can make people do. Hardly a crazy take.

And I'd say that's some massive fear mongering.

I meant in general with asylum seekers, not that guy.

We already have limited immigration.

And I have no issue with a rules based immigration system.

because there is no need to rewrite it as this already happens anyway.
most refugees already go to neighbours.
actual abuse of any migration system rather then perceived/made up abuse can only be dealt with by the authorities of the country the system belongs to.
to be clear, it is not illegal to claim assylum.

I am hell bent on importing balkanised communities? Em, where did that come from exactly?

Always a little odd when people say diversity isn't a strength when a huge chunk of the most successful, progressive and prosperous regions of the world (ie, North America, Europe and Aus/NZ) tend to be regions woth high diversity. I'm not someone who necessarily believes that diversity is always a strength — but on balance it certainly doesn't seem to have hindered the progress of the Western world in relative terms versus monoethnic countries.

I've asked people this many times and the answer never seems to emerge. You can quote all the stats and studies you want — you can find every example of everything that conforms to your view of the world — but the inescapable reality remains that the most progressive, prosperous regions of the world have also (for many years, even going back to 19th century migration) happened to be increasingly diverse. And while you talk about diversity seemingly tearing society apart and "neighbourhood mistrust" — I'm at a loss to understand why so called monoethnic countries don't dominate the lists of countries where quality of life is high and people clamour to live...

Somewhat tbh. But I believe we're discussing Ireland in this case. We've statistically been generally declining in terms of crime.

They are if they are paying minimal tax, claiming HAP, bringing over their family and claiming every benefit they can for them

That sounds like a policy decision for the Minister for justice. (A Fianna Fail TD, the previous 9 have been Fine Gael).

Did you find a single example of your strawman argument yet or are you ready to admit that it is absolute waffle?

https://assets.gov.ie/static/documents/Homeless_Report_-_June_2025.pdf

Homelessness report for June

50% non Irish nationals, 28% non EU nationals. Rises to 43.5% non EU nationals in Dublin.

Enormous strain being put onto our emergency accommodation services by non nationals, to say nothing of all of the accommodation already separately set aside for Asylum Seekers and Ukrainians

Why are we doing this? Any of the “Everything is fine” advocates care to address this?

The Irish people at the protests do not need to do much for me. They are Irish and that's enough. Dr Al Qadri recently denigrated a person's lack of Irishness recently on Twitter because they stupidly put the Ivory Coast flag up instead of Ireland. I don't care if 'Sinead' is stupid, she's Irish and Dr Al Qadri is a blow-in however much he likes to flaunt his superior Irishness.

Just so you know, one of my most respected colleagues is a Muslim. She doesn't cover her hair or wear a burqa but is certainly a religious devotee. She has a work permit and adds a lot to our society and doesn't push her religion in people's faces. For me that's the poster child of a Muslim immigrant. There has been some attempt to integrate and to alleviate the cultural assymetry (worst of which would be the burqa/niqab). There will be others like that too and I have no issue with them.

There is a saying however 'Radical Islam is the snake in the grass but moderate Islam is the grass that hides the snake'. I think there is some truth to this because while there are obviously many good Muslims, the book they have outsourced their morals to is a little, well, contentious. I think moderate Muslims are vulnerable. I think they listen carefully to the finger pointing Imams who place antiquated Shariah law above all else wherever they are. Muslims are a small cohort in Ireland so far but if they grow like in other places we'll be hearing their calls to prayer all over the place. They prevent Irish cultural preservation by marching on our streets in the name of Islam and by attempting to take their place on our historical sites like the GPO in the name of Islam. They will want to proudly spread the fastest growing religion throughout the new secular haze that is Ireland. I don't blame them for that, it's what they do. I blame our government for letting them in without a referendum on certain demographic change.

You said 'it's the fact that Muslims are Muslims that they are incapable of integrating', I take it the insinuation there is racism which would invalidate all my points but I totally reject that. I think Islam as an ideology is expansive and intolerant and the net effects of that become quite clear in non-Muslim countries where they are clearly not compatible. Poverty as an explanation, it just doesn't cut the mustard. There is a unique problem with Islam. It's why the Charlie Hebdo massacre occurred, it's why we are afraid to draw a cartoon of a man in the sky that doesn't exist. I dont write them off because they are Muslims, it's because there is a problem with Islam's compatibility with our societies and it's too great a problem to be 'talked away'. It requires a hard immigration policy.