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The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 cleanfarmer2025


    Poor ending to the championship after a really good group stage.

    Out of the 7 QF and on matches, only 1 had the game in the balance until the end, the Galway/Meath match.

    And even going back a step further, only the Down/Galway match was in the balance to the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 cleanfarmer2025


    Yeah yesterday was better than the old days but still lots of handpassing around the 45 back and over.

    Kerry definitely adapted best to the new rules. Watching the kickouts yesterday, I couldn't understand why every Donegal man let their opponent get in front of them for the breaking ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The sight of Gavin White coming through with his pace would frighten most defenders. Donegal had a lot of fires to put out in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 cleanfarmer2025


    Isn't he retired from school teaching?

    He's 64 and intercounty season is like 8 months long and not a full time job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    You reckon you can play up to the age of 34 now? Such is the pace and physical commitment required at the top level now that I think once you reach 30 you are going to struggle. Now certain professions suit being a footballer at the top level, which allow you to train and look after your body like a professional athlete.

    Playing in certain positions helps as you may have to cover less ground but overall, it's now for the most part a young mans game and even more so since the new rules were introduced.

    I think certain players will have more longevity over others depending on positions and staying injury free etc. I certainly think there is some more years in many of the Kerry team but 6 years is a stretch.

    And the first thing to start to fail you is your pace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I could see the players persuading him to stay on.

    He's very close to them as he coached them as minors 10 years ago.

    I could see Donaghy joining in also to bring his energy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Some will play til 34, some won't.

    Some will be impact subs. Some will retire.

    Injuries begin to pile up after 30 also. Some people are lucky and stay injury free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Kerry pushed out and defended beyond the D. There was no real 2 pointer shooting opportunity for Donegal yesterday. McBrearty had an opportunity when introduced but missed. in your 6 forwards and 2 midfielders, not everyone has the ability to shoot for 2 pointers obviously. Thompson going off inured for Donegal was a massive blow for their 2 pointers. Murphy and McBrearty are very capable also but Murphy was a marked man and had little contribution overall and his lack of pace and legs really told.

    I've never seen Kerry as patient in possession and this stifled Donegal and their ability to play on the counter attack.

    Kerry didn't force any shot or pass and took little risks. played they game completely on their terms and controlled it. Gaining the early lead allowed them to do this. The result was never in dount after 15mins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    When the more defensive teams like Donegal get the message and push out another 10 yards to stop the 2 pointers goal chances will be created too. The advantage is finally back in the forwards hands.

    Dublin and Galway have more then the rest combined. Every year by default these 2 must be favourites. Putting teams like Donegal and Galway as favourites is just playing into the Kerry Mafia and to a slightly lesser extent the Dublin mafia's advantage. It's time we stop being absolutely idiots getting propped up by posts from dubs and Kerry men not seeing anyway back to Sam 😂

    NEVER AGAIN!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Kerry adapted very well to the new rules. Even the work paddy tally had done with them from 22 - 24 stood to them as a defensive unit. Lots of these guys have huge experience dating back to 2019, there a well oil machined. Up front they have generational players built on skill. They got a really good bounce of a rookie midfield. Although not starting mc fadden was a mistake. Lots of loose analysis post game that mc guineasss is a bursted flush etc , I don't buy it. The age of profile of donegal isn't to bad they won ulster and will learn from yesterday, there first final since 14. They'll be back. Kerry are in a great position, fantastic facilities, good sponsors and serious crop of players. And even that if I was jack I'd tip on. He's done it all and he should enjoy life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭thesultan


    he definitely wasn’t school, mick barely got on the ball and was in plenty of bother



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Dublin covered the space that day very well as a unit and Fitzsimmons put huge pressure on Clifford. Rain helped Dublin and Clifford had an off day shooting. It was a collective effort combined with a below par Clifford performance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Kerry's experience and decision making under pressure was underplayed before the final I think.

    Lots of this Kerry team were winning AI minor finals back as far as 2014 to 2018. 11 years ago.

    Also they've won Club AIs also with Rathmore, Dr Crokes, Beaufort, Na Gaeil, Fossa.

    Also they've won schools AIs with Dingle and Killarney.

    The amount of big games and AI finals these guys have played in by now.

    Also last week Jim McGuiness was a tactical genius with an unstoppable machine and this week he's tactically naive.

    I'd expect him to go back to the drawing board and improve his system. Still plenty of good players in Donegal panel.

    I still think Donegal were too wedded to their system, rather than playing the game as they see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭50HX


    Not a comparable argument as the rules of changed.

    Play it again & see how Mick Fitz gets on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,508 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I don’t agree, it’s very difficult to dispossess a player legally in Gaelic football..It’s one of the biggest problems in the game …

    Donegal lost yesterdays game because of poor tactics. They basically didn’t engage Kerry until they reached the arc….as we saw that’s way too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Haha that was the rules at the time and mick Fitzsimmons and Dublin won the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,508 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Load of bollox, Donegal players were spancelled by a rigid so called ‘system’.

    Kerry ripped into them and Donegal never copped on .

    Go out and play the game , don’t be stupid ….express yourself and use your skills.

    Expecting a win with a system which invites the opposition into your territory without hindrance is laughable.

    Promoting this kind of rubbish is ruining good teams expressing themselves and is grist for the mill for these psuedo gurus in charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Kerry fans no doubt delighted how things played out during the knock out stages and yesterday final but as a neutral I was hoping for a least a good competitive final after two poor semi finals and less than great Quarter finals.

    Is what it is now and with more tweaks to the rules we may or may not get better and closer games for the knock out stages for 2026?

    A few stats.

    Score obviously inflated with two pointers but Kerry's 1-26 (29) was the top score ever in All Ireland senior final from a winning team. Dublin 5–12 (27) in 1977 and Kerry 4–15 (27) 2006 had the record before yesterday.

    Top score for team that lost the final.  Mayo 1–16 (19) in 2017 and Galway 2–13 (19) in 1973 so Donegal now join that with their 0-19 yesterday. Donegal's score not inflated as scored no two pointer.

    Kerry's Half time score of 17pts equaled the all-time record for one team by Half time in a final (2006, Kerry). It was the highest margin of victory in a final since 2007 (Kerry v Cork)

    30 two pointers Kerry scored in their 9 championship matches this year. 27 was scored by David Clifford (14) and Sean O'Shea (13) and those two scored Kerry's 5 two pointers yesterday and Kerry had 12 attempts in total for two pointers yesterday compared to just three for Donegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,946 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Its kinda embarrassing for rest of country that Kerry are 30 All Irelands ahead of 3rd place.

    Kerry are not the kings of football they are the God of football.

    Dublin respectable, and also have super record in finals won 31, lost only 13.

    Rest just trying get the scraps.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭50HX


    Thanks for stating the obvious

    You stated it was a collective effort as one of the reasons Fitz was better than him,

    With the new rules the collective effort is diminished massively. I.e swarm defense, 2 -3 tagging of players etc is no longer an option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    At the time of the final on the 30th July 2023, the Clifford's had buried their young mother in early May 2023.

    They continued to playing and indeed played the Munster final between her death and burial.

    That either of them togged out for the final given the public nature of their grieving especially for young men was an achievement; expecting him to peak and overcome a great Dublin team enjoying the last of the summer wine was too much to expect.

    The two of them are hitting their peak now and given the right management structure they will likely backbone a few more All Ireland's for Kerry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Congratulations Kerry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The GAA should have a policy of bias funding to everyone other then Dublin and Kerry. The sport would be so much better off. So many years we have 5 or 6 contenders but it nearly always ends with Kerry or Dublin winning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭orangerhyme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,666 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Kerry has a fairly unique Football history. It won it first AI in 1903 and won 5 in total starting within eleven year period. It had the first GAA football.superstar in Dick Fitzgearld. Even though this was a club championships era DF played in all five of these I think with Tralee and Killarney clubs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Fitzgerald_%28Gaelic_footballer%29?wprov=sfla1

    The Definitions of being a decent footballer in Kerry is to equal Dicks 5 medals. He also wrote the first definitive GAA coaching book.

    The next event that created Kerry football history was in the aftermath of the Civil War both pro and anti treaty agreed to play football together for Kerry. The fighting had been brutal in Kerry but both sides agreed to play together.

    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerry/south-kerry-news/how-kerrys-most-extraordinary-team-emerged-in-a-post-civil-war-world/a1392135692.html

    During that period you had the emergence of the first Trainer/Manager a Psychiatrist called Eamon O Sullivian. He went on to look after the Kerry team and win 8 AI when over them.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/game-changer-psychiatrist-who-gave-kerry-footballers-a-positive-mental-attitude-1.4305523

    https://www.dib.ie/biography/osullivan-edward-eamon-doc-a7058

    The team used to get together about 10-14 days before an AI final. He only lost one AIF when he was available to train them

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭50HX


    Dr Eamon o sullivan: A man before his time is well worth a read for any football fan not only from Gaa aspect but also his own work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I'm from Kerry and I can't explain the obsession.

    We've been obsessed from the very beginning.

    People say the old game of Caid was very popular in West Kerry before the GAA came along.

    Soccer, Hurling and Rugby were never big in Kerry so I guess there was a void.

    Although apparently cricket was popular.

    Long may it continue.

    It really has a positive effect on everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Yeah he had a poor term with kildare no doubt. They pushed the dubs alright in the 21 leinster and he got promoted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 cleanfarmer2025


    I think Donegal played it poorly. All their runs and interchanges were inside the arc rather than outside it so when the player on the run received it they were already in the arc and wasn't worth taking a swing at it but they did sometimes and went wide anyways.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 cleanfarmer2025


    Just replaying the game again and just can't believe how wrong Donegal got it.

    If you're Kerry, you really couldn't imagine Donegal setting up worse than they did.

    I know Darren O'Sullivan was on the radio this evening comparing that Clifford walking thing to Messi walking but really it's not comparable because everyone was just wasting the two minutes until the move came after the hooter.

    Easy analyse now but not sure why McCole followed him out to 51/52m out. Clifford is going to beat you for the burst of acceleration 10 times out of 10 if you're right beside him.

    They'd have been better man mark Paudie and stop the supply to David. If you don't stop the supply, you've no chance as once he gets it he's gone.



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