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The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭vid36


    In the interview last night , Jack was saying the decision would be up to his wife and that she was taking photos as he went to final training session, I think its obvious the final was his last game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    You're completely clueless.

    Players don't get paid.

    Some get sponsorship though.

    Some of the backroom team are paid, some aren't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Belive what you want, I have no proof, but I don't think young intelligent men give up their twenties for nothing when all around them are making money off their backs, that is more fairytale stuff.

    Anyway fair play to Kerry, Gavin White gave one of the best All Ireland final performances I have ever seen. Hovered up breaks, kicked 3 points, broke Donegal lines time after time. My favourite moment was when he won the break for the throw in for the second half, he hit two Donegal men driving forward and put them on their arse, one of them McHugh had to come off because of an injury received in the impact. He is a machine. If memory serves me right in his first few years on the scene he had the pace but was very very slight. He is not slight anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    There's a few "perks" for the better known players - sponsored cars etc etc and they'd find plenty options for jobs no matter what career they are in but generally that type of thing is only reserved for the top players in the top counties.

    There are lots and lots of players playing intercounty football that get nothing out of it only enjoyment, some free gear and maybe once a year some form of team holiday - again, depending on the size of the county. They probably enjoy the fitness benefits, the bit of craic and community and the bit of adulation from the fans as well.

    It can come with it's perks but be under no illusions the vast majority of them aren't getting anything monetary out of it.

    You only see the top counties out this time of year, the smaller counties don't have the budgets (even if they wanted to) to cover any player enticements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    It doesn’t matter what level I played at, it is objectively a lot more difficult to get the ball off an opponent compared to soccer or hurling.

    It makes it far easier to control possession due to the combination of tackling being more difficult and the fact that a first touch isn’t a defining feature of attaining possession from a pass. There is very limited opportunity for a defender to win the ball.

    There is nothing controversial about what I’m saying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    1. The fact he made changes. He did that far too late.

    2. Kerry were never really in "back foot" like you say. Donegal had purple patch with 4 points in row and that was it. Were second best again

    3. Kerry didnt really win any poor free.

    4. Kerry punished Donegal your correct. But Donegal tactics played big part in how easy they got their scores too.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    You are right there is a world of difference in playing for an All Ireland contender and the rest. The divide is huge, yet the also ran county players are expected to give the same commitment without the perks to close the gap on the contenders, its simply not going to happen and the gap is going to be a chasm. It's certainly not a level playing field out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Ah yeah, I don't disagree. Its why the money in the game, needs to be distributed to the right places/counties and those that already have big playing populations/income etc can half look after themselves.

    But there's some people out there that think the Leitrim County board have the capacity to pay their inter county players a wage………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Wouldn't it be refreshing to see a GAA team winning a big prize without the "everybody wrote us off" shtick ?

    Any criticism following any poor performances (even if the team itself calls it poor) is, of course, "disrespect".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    It would. But look - I am sure it's a fairly straightforward angle for any sports psychologist/manager to work on within a group of players. Circle the wagons, build siege mentality, look at what they are saying about us, we will prove them wrong etc etc. Been like that since the dawn of time. I'd expect every team uses it to a point but sure only one team can win so it oviously doesn't always work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Overall very disappointing championship, very one sided final, semi finals and quarters.

    Donegal looked out on their feet from throw in and the sight of the Kerry lad playing "keepy uppy" with the ball 50 yards from goal with no Donegal player within 20 yards sums up this season for me, 2011-12 Donegal would be rolling in their graves lol.

    Period of dominance now for Kerry is possible. Connacht teams have all regressed badly this year. Ulster teams flatter to deceive and Dublin are simply not replacing the class of 2010/12/14 at all, even 2017 U21s will be 30 next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    People in Kerry grow up dreaming of playing for Kerry and winning AIs.

    They're living their dream.

    Some players definitely get a few perks and sponsorships, but I'm not sure there's much money in it.

    The majority of people in Ireland involved in sport either playing or coaching or administration or other backroom roles do it for free.

    People dedicate their lives to it for free.

    It's very enjoyable anyway. It's not a slog.

    I coached kids and enjoyed it immensely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    It just sounds to me like someone who has never played the game before. I totally disagree with your opinion. It is harder to win the ball back off a hurler in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,765 ✭✭✭downthemiddle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    100% it's so tiresome, Jack O Connor went all Davy Fitzgerald fierce sensitive to any perceived slights, surely this is only a stichk he uses in the media to deflect them from asking proper questions about injuries, form of players tactics etc. The media seem to lap it up so he runs with it. This type of stuff hardly inspires intelligent players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭shockframe


    I'd say the Golden Years 3 that was predicted 6/7 years ago has maybe passed.

    Other than Clifford the mainstays of the team are around 28/29.

    Compared to the 00s they are 1 or 2 all irelands behind that when the major players of those sides were 28/29.

    To really get to that level you'd be looking at winning the next 1 if not 2 to remain on par.

    Post edited by shockframe on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Based on their age profile, Kerry should be there or thereabouts for 6 years anyway.

    They won't win every year but I think they'll reach plenty of Semis and finals.

    This was actually a first start in an AI final for 6 Kerry players.

    There's plenty of young talent also to blood as long as they don't go to Australia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    28 is still young when you think Dublin had bunch of 30+ in 2017 and Comer/Walsh/Conroy are all 30+ but will still be the guys Galway look to next year.

    What's also forgotten is strong underage Kerry teams coming through. Last 2 years they would have been All Ireland U20 winners had it not been for an exceptional Tyrone team.

    I think Kerrys biggest weakness jn years to come is management team. If O'Connor stays on there is probably 3 or 4 AIs in the next 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    Poor game overall yesterday. Excessive handpassing is still a blight on the game. It was like watching Basketball during long spells of play yesterday. Players too afraid to make a kick pass in case possession is lost. You could count the number of kick passes on one hand in a 5 minute period compared to hand passes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Kerry will always be thereabouts but there was talk of dominance after 2022 which was hard to argue with.

    It's a lot harder to rule the roost now than it was in the 80s or 00s but they didn't get caught out by an honest but non top 3 side like Armagh in 2024.

    I'd agree with the management side of it but Tomas,Star,Mark Fitz are also developing which I'd say will benefit them down the line.

    Be interesting how it goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Considering the data shows turnovers account for 56% of possessions in hurling compared to approximately 35% in football I think you’re wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    And of course, if anybody does try to say you are a great team and favourites for Sam - then they try to yerra it away!

    Jack O'Connor mentioned in one interview that Kerry were seen as "cannon fodder" for Armagh. These inter-county panels really do operate in their own little bubbles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,497 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    My auld fella (Not a Dub, Not a Kerryman, Not a Donegalman) managed to get a ticket for the final yesterday. Basically he said that Kerry had too many fast fellas for Donegal. Reminded him of the Dubs when they had Jack McCaffery said he.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,497 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was thinking in Kerry you need three/four Sam's to be in the conversation. It will be interesting to see if David Clifford goes into management when he does hang up his boots. I remember listening to him when he seemed to always get Man of the match in the minor All-Ireland's. Thinking that fella will be Kerry manager in 40/50 years. Had a sensible head on him even then.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,497 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The group stages were fantastic. I don't think there was many "bad games" in the group level. Pity that the SF's and Final lacked excitement for the neutrals. It is just the way it panned out.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭shockframe


    3/4 yes in terms of generational teams and players.

    Having 2 wouldn't go against david Clifford or Maurice Fitz however.

    As far as management material is concerned Kerry have a somewhat patchy record with ex players.

    If the Internet existed in 1984 you might have looked at someone like Spillane as a good manager down the line.

    And yet it was an unknown like jack o connor that emerged 2 decades after and Donie Buckley who is held in high regard outside of that.

    Only Eamon Fitzmaurice from the 00s crew has been a success and even there's people in Kerry who woulf disagree with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The new rules give Kerry a great chance of adding 2 or 3 more titles. It would be much , much harder and attritional under the old rules. Without Clifford they are as good as anyone. With him they have a clear edge. Its all about keeping him fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭cantwbr1


    For me Donegal had two issues yesterday.

    Their game plan is to get a lead as force the opposition to chase them and hit them on the counter attack. Once Kerry got a 3/4 points ahead Donegal weren’t able to change their mindset. Their match against Monaghan was atypical.

    The second was an unwillingness to go for 2 pointers. They didn’t look like they had done any work in training on setting up for 2 points shooting. Ignoring the goal at the end 2 point scored were the difference. Years of training to only go for the 90% shooting opportunity probably worked against them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    11 of this team are 26 to 28 years old, so should be good for 6 years at least. 2 are younger and 2 are older.

    There's plenty of young talent also as long as they don't go to Australia.

    Only Paul Geaney might retire but I'm not even sure if that.



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