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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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  • #3362
    HorseSea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 540 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    @chooseusername Thank you, I am sure I did google that but maybe not, I am just delighted to find it. It's definitely the right person, it's my grandfather and his son, my father was also Henry Owens and a Book Finisher, their signatures are near identical, I couldn't ask for more proof. My father worked for Thoms too for many years. Unfortunately I don't have a Thoms Directory but have access to a very early one, 1850 I think, so it might be useful as I go back.

    Thanks again.

    @Spurious Thank you, I read that, very interesting.



  • #3363
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Hello,

    I was wondering if anybody might be able to help on deciphering the details for the death of Anne Cummins in February 1891. The coroner's reports for this period no longer exist and was hoping that there might be information particularly in the informant field as to Anne's parents or even her address (so I could maybe cross reference by births). I would also be interested as to how she died: I think it was burns and there is some mention of clothing?

    This is the link to the full page - the record of Anne's death is the 3rd entry on that page (No. 224): https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06082/4734791.pdf

    Cummins.jpg

    I'm assuming if the above details are correct - and she was born in Ireland (and registered correctly) then this is her birth record, but am not sure: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=5fc6443d7a-4233437



  • #3364
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,414 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Burns in consequence of clothes taking fire accidental.

    edit* Checking Glasnevin records, the address was 1 Wellington quay and her parents were Michael and Esther Cummins.



  • #3365
    Catsmeow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭Catsmeow


    Hi. I think this is what the death cert says:

    1891 21st February Jervis St Hospital

    Anne Cummins

    F(emale)

    Yrs 6

    Window Cleaners child

    Burns in consequence of clothes taking fire accidental

    Information received from Nicholas C (Whyte?) Esq Coroner for City of Dublin Inquest held 25 February 1891

    There is a possible address listed under the words Jervis St Hospital, it looks like 1 Millington something, but I'm not sure of that.



  • #3366
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,331 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Burns as consequence of clothes catching fire - accidental

    Information received from Nicholas C Whyte by Coroner for City of Dublin 25 Feb 1891

    (Ok I was slower posting…)



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  • #3367
    55Gem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭55Gem


    think the address might be Wellington Quay.



  • #3368
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Hello all - I typed a response thanking you but it has disappeared. It's a very sad case, all the more so now I know the specific reason the poor child died. I knew she was buried in Glasnevin, which is why I am going down this road, but don't have access to their records so knowing her parents is so, so helpful.



  • #3369
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,414 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123409877#Comment_123409877

    PM me an email address and i will send you the Glasnevin record.



  • #3370
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    There's a brief mention of the incident at the bottom of page 5 of the Freeman's Journal of 23 Feb 1891 which is free to view at Find My Past.

    fatal burninig.png

    There is also mention of it in the Irish Times of the same date which gives some detail of the cause of the fire but you'll need a subscription to Find My Past to view the full article.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #3371
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    I never thought to check the papers! This is fantastic, thank you @Hermy. My work has a subscription to the IT so I will check that on Tuesday when I am in again.



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  • #3372
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I wonder could someone make out the mothers name on this New York City death cert please?

    https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/5516664

    grady death.png

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #3373
    cobham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭cobham


    Winifred maybe for first name but cant make a guess at second save for last letters. I suppose you have her age and presume you have tried a birth cert record.



  • #3374
    HorseSea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 540 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    Surname possibly "Moylan"?



  • #3375
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,414 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Looking at immigration records etc., it looks like she came to the US in 1920, and the passenger list gives her birthplace as Castleconnell, if that is any help.

    Her marriage (entry 12): https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10703/5901929.pdf

    The passenger list gives her age as 48.

    Just to keep things difficult, 1901 census says she was born in Limerick City.



  • #3376
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Thanks folks.

    Yes, I was thinking something along the lines of Moylan myself but had no luck with the first name - Winifred looks spot on cobham!

    Thanks spurious - I have that marriage and the census returns - just trying to pin down her birth.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #3377
    cobham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭cobham


    I never heard of name Moylan but looking it up there are plenty in the BMD lists…. yes the '…oylan' looks right.



  • #3378
    spurious
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    The Griffiths has both Grady and Moylan in Stradbally parish. Moylan in Lisnagry. Grady in Ballynacourty next townland over.



  • #3379
    Mick Tator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    I agree with Cobham - Winifred Moylan. I have a couple of Winifreds from Stradbally across to Clanwilliam in a collateral line, it seems to have been a frequent girl's name, more than 150 Winifreds there in the 1911 Census.



  • #3380
    cobham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭cobham


    I had a neighbour christened Winifred but called Fred by family and Freda by others! Meanwhile an English cousin was called Winnie. One of those names!



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