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Thinking of moving to EV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Articles from 8 years ago maybe. Plenty of used EVs with 400km ranges for under 20k and a lot less. You don't know what you're talking about. Curious what you refer to when you say most expensive ones only do 500km.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭colm reilly


    Neither do you ,siop crying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    well ye very little do over 500km , maybe in the future there will be 1,000km , also a lot of electric is needed to charge them and with Ireland being the most expensive country in Europe for electricity it’s not worth it , eh I do know what I’m talking about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    here’s a list of EV cars with longest range in miles mostly between 500km and 800km in the US market

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Plenty do over 500km. Plucking out a US only poster from 2023 doesn't help your point. You didn't clear up your assertion that only the most expensive can do 500km. Does that include a €37,000 Tesla Model 3? Plenty of other cars around that price range can do 500km+.

    500km in that car would cost me less than €4 of that expensive electricity. How much would you spend on cheap diesel to cover 500km?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Having that poster about EV cars in America does prove my point, you just want stop moaning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,908 ✭✭✭User1998


    500km range is more than enough for 90% of the population. If you need more range than that you should probably just stick to your diesel and let others get on with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,013 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Which car does 30km to a charge? Love waking up to these late night posts!

    Anyway, back to reality…..real examples from my driveway at this current moment with the apps screenshot.

    Neither car would be classed as among the most expensive, the Cupra is in the best selling class of car in the country at the moment and can be bought at just over 40k, the R5 was just over 30k.

    Can't get a near 300bhp 6 second to 100kmph ICE car with the level of spec or comfort or space for anywhere near that price. Likewise the R5 is cheaper than an equivalently specced 150bhp supermini by a long long way, you'd be looking at base level 1 litre cars for the price.

    Looks like Cupra will be good for 500kms and R5 for 300 if I needed them to be.

    If I was fully charged and had a very long journey ahead of me and invested 30 mins of my time to charge them to 80% on a decent public charger when they get low I'd get 800kms or more from the Cupra and maybe 500kms from R5.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 559 ✭✭✭electricus


    I wouldn’t buy another diesel car because most of them rattle like tractors and belch out black smoke and NOx. They demand a full service every year, and if you mostly do short trips, you’ll be paying a fortune for clogged soot filter (DPF) cleaning. Drive long distances daily, and you risk the pricey dual mass flywheel wearing out - every year at least for that 500km daily drive.

    Compared to modern EVs, it’s just too much hassle and expense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Jaysus, how did I forget to include the dual-mass flywheel in my list of expensive things that go wrong in ICE cars. Had that bother with two different cars, a VW group and a BMW. I think the first time it happened was about 12 years ago and it cost me over £300 (sterling) then, with a buddy doing the work for mates' rates. Second time was more expensive as it somehow scuppered the gearbox as well. That was a lot more expensive, even after going to a breaker's yard for the replacement gearbox. Had no choice at the time but to bite the bullet on it.

    But yeah, tell me again how EV batteries are all going to have to be replaced for loadsamoney … 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And the rest. EGR (that makes BMWs go on fire), extremely expensive injectors, pig's piss required to make them run. The list goes on. And of course causing cancer to many people. We should have stopped making diesels when we knew all this back last century



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Ah but an EV battery needs a full battery replacement every 2 years at twice the cost of a new EV😁

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I think the troll has gone back under its stone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Had it all. I was stuck with diesels because of the massive mileage I used to do and for a long time, I was able to fuel them using biodiesel made from waste cooking oil (not virgin palm oil!) - it was the least worst option back then. Covered the best part of half a million miles on that stuff in various motors, and ironically only ever had an issue with injectors a few years after I'd stopped using it and had to go back to the black pump.

    There's another one - I'll never have to wonder about whether I'm getting a fill of bleached electrons.😃 Nothing is perfect, but as far as I'm concerned EV is considerably better than anything else I've had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Yeah my id3 used to guestimate 550 kms range with around 74 usable Kwh out of 82 ( what a waste) but that's laughable. Most ev are the same, you won't get anywhere near the guesstimate range doing any decent speeds. , then add wind, rain cold etc.

    To get 833 Kms range, what I get now in the Kia , @ a generous 18 Kwh/100 km EV I'd need 150 Kwh for that kind of range. Imagine the weight of that ? but driving hard that would go up to maybe 23 Kwh/100 km or even more with 150 Kwh weight.

    Now say if I could put 80 Kwh in in a 5 min charge, I could live with that provided there was the same ICE level of infrastructure or do what BMW are doing, bringing back the Rex, simple, problem solved.

    With Rex I'd be happy with 60 Kwh or a bit less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Never , but I don't have to worry about long trips and fill up in a few mins. The joy vs EV.

    Anyway, I bet a lot of the people posting in this thread have access to ICE and will just take that anyway on the long trips, if not now they will once the honeymoon period if over, how many people will admit it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Depends on the EV. The Model 3 RWD has what…a 60kWh battery??? and achievable 500km range. So that's 12kWh per 100km or 1.2kWh per 10km, or 0.12kWh per 1km.

    So, that very specific 833km of range in the Picanto(?) which doesn't take into account the same wind and rain that impacts every car would need a battery capacity of (0.12kWh x 833km = 99.96kWh). Let's call it 100kWh. That's a whole car battery less than what you estimated 😊

    I hate the range guesstimates in any car, ICE or EV. Total rubbish half the time. I am genuinely well impressed with the Tesla guesstimate when it comes to percentage remaining though. It's always either spot on, or within 1-2% depending on the length of the journey and if there are any unexpected weather events, like a random torrential downpour that comes and goes in 20 minutes.

    It'd be nice wo whack 80kWh into the EV in 5 minutes, but I wouldn't pay any extra for that capability unless I regularly used public chargers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,828 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    My car can do 800km, EVs are no good until they can also do 800km. I never do 800km, but it is important that my car can do 800km!

    Do you hear yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The more range the better, it means I can go off anywhere and not have to bother about charging and hanging around at chargers when away from home or out on longer trips, freedom.

    Show me where I said EV is no good unless they can do 800 Km ? no, seriously ? where did I say they're no good ? do you not hear yourself ? you just come in the thread and spout BS without reading the actual thread.

    I've repeatedly said EV are good if they suit your lifestyle and have home charging and are willing and happy to wait around at public chargers. However, I do not believe EV are better for the environment, that's just reality, there's more than just emissions to worry about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    lol the id3 74 Kwh available can achieve 500 kms too but in fairness that's BS for most normal drivers driving long distance on the motorways in all weathers.

    "It'd be nice wo whack 80kWh into the EV in 5 minutes, but I wouldn't pay any extra for that capability unless I regularly used public chargers."

    That's not likely for years or to be affordable or the infrastructure to support it but as I said, BMW are bringing back the Rex after years pontificating EV is so good as it is who want's a generator? and look at them now. It will probably only return for now in expensive SUVs but it's coming back. Others should follow an if it does then I might reconsider going back that route if they can make batteries that are actually environmentally friendly that is.

    Or maybe we'll have other fuel source you don't want to hear about lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    it was nice while it lasted, honestly why bother spouting the same nonsense over and over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    What has any of this got to do with the OP? He does 28 kms on his commute and they have a Chr as a second car. Ev is ideal for him, no need for 800km without stopping etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Drove a 22 model 3 today, very underwhelming. Drove an Atto 3, I liked it way better. Was a little bit stiff changing lanes at times though so will have to give it another go. Tbh the most fun in the 20-30k range I've have so far is in the MG4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,013 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Drove a model Y once amd was underwhelmed, apart from the tech and charging experience which was fantastic, never drove a 3.

    Ive driven mg4 a few times, if you are shopping in the used 20 to 30k market I didnt think the mg4 was anywhere close to a good drive as the Cupra Born which I owned at the same time, so that may be one to consider for you. And by extension an id3 also which won't be a million miles away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Guffy


    I tested an ID4,l in Roscommon tbh it was a bad car in itself. The thing was screeching as I took off. Haven't really looked for another VW since, felt tight in the ID3.

    I haven't really looked at the Born. I drove a petrol born earlier this year or late last year while hers was in for service and I was squeezed into it.

    I drove the excite model (mg4) last week and the exclusive a couple of weeks ago. Cars were night and day. Wouldn't go near the excite.

    I'm going to give the dolphin and atto a good go this week at some point and then have another run in an MG4 exclusive and see if it was the excite I hated or did I just not like the mg4 on my second go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,013 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    There is no petrol Born, maybe its something else you drove? A Cupra Leon maybe?

    Surprised you found id3 tight, its a big car inside.

    I can't remember which mg4 i drove, it was the top spec one though I know that for sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    M3 and Atto 3 are completely different cars. I've spent quite a bit of time in both and the M3 is streets ahead as a driving machine, the Atto 3 and in fact all BYD's I've driven have horrible vague steering. Awful yokes to drive imo.



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