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The light touch CA moderation experiment

  • 24-07-2025 10:20PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭


    Don't think I have ever even started a thread before on the site and to clear this one is not one to have a dig at the mods in any way.

    When I initially saw the decision to lift all bans and a basic free for all I really did think the forum was dead.

    Over the last few weeks in my opinion whoever made the decision was proven right and it did allow much more rubust debate.

    I think with a little tweeking to nip outright trolls in the bud it is working better than the previous rules.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    And just to add if CA stays like that I would like to see the other forums take a stricter line on bikering between posters etc. It would do nothing but promote and encourage people to the site.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It was Necro's idea and it has been a success. It has also cut down on a lot of petty reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I agree it has been a success but it could do with a few small tweeks.

    It's still unclear where the line is posting there. For example AI posts were banned within hours and rightly so but link dumping still seems ok. Anecodtes are as useful as that time I was travelling on the Titanic reading boards.ie and just finished my big mac before the ship sank.

    Maybe a few quick lines of a charter is all that is required and let everyone have a go at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    To get around banning on the forum charter mods in CA are now using the broad brush of "site rules". Absolute nonsense to quash opinions they don't agree with.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    There is a revised charter and, with respect, I don't think you are in a position to complain about anecdotes.

    There hasn't been any issue with links posted since the change was made, we do regularly read the forum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Ok. Thanks for your contributation to a feedback thread.

    Can you post the revised charter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,724 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Since a 'light touch' approach is now in force it would make sense to reset everyone's CA warnings count, since those warning's were handed out under the heavy handed approach.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Those are the Site rules, they have always and will always work in line with every forum charter across the site.. that shouldn't need to be said. It is what you sign up with.

    It's also linked in the first post that Leg End quoted..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    So is CA going back to them rules? It's not very clear. That was one of the reasons for this thread.

    Also that list is fairly comprehensive so to confirm no link dumps to now allowed?

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    • post Material that contains violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult website
    • post Material in respect of any matter that is currently before the courts
    • post Material that could be construed as scandalising the courts
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    What's objectionable to 1 is perfectly reasonable and acceptable to others. It's leading to the mods own bias being the standard for the rules enforcement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Unfortunately this has led some threads to turn into cesspits of non stop trolling by a small number of posters who now don't get warned or banned as none of it is personal attacks.

    Just a quick look at the Hamas strike on Israel thread and anyone can see that this new approach hasn't worked for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,890 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    The last example of a 'link dump' you gave even the strictest of mods, having a bad day, wouldn't class it as such



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,054 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It will only get worse as posters who previously would have been banned for trolling keep pushing the envelope / long term but not permanently banned posters cop they can come back and engage in the behaviour they were banned for.

    So the only option will be to stoically ignore it or engage if you feel they're posting something particularly objectionable.

    I don't see anything the general site terms that would prevent trolling or link dumping.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    We are currently discussing amongst ourselves how to deal with the trolling as you're right, it's not implicitly covered by the site rules.

    However, in order to establish a pattern in these cases it does take time as, one person's trolling may be another person's genuine belief/opinion. We don't warn or ban posters for trolling for a single post, that is not a pattern of behavior.

    It might not be as visible as it was but we are still paying attention and only yesterday a poster was permanently removed from the forum for consistent repeated trolling of a specific thread.

    As has been seen already, mods are constantly looking for ways to improve the forum without stepping back on the lighter touch method as for the most part it appears to have been a positive.

    In any case and as always, we ask that posters don't engage with said trolling and simply report the post. Easier said than done sometimes, understandably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    How can you distinguish between trolling and what's a person's genuine belief/ opinion? It's seems it's the mods own bias that says a person's genuine belief is trolling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,926 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Agreed. Some of the bad faith posting on those threads is horrific. That said, I'm not sure it's all that much worse than before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    You and myself are diametrically opposed, to put it lightly. And I am currently banned from the forum temporarily. So how are mods showing bias?

    I think the lighter touch in moderation is good for all. People should be able to call out and come down hard on repeated falsehoods.

    If it was up to me some degree of 'personal' abuse would be tolerated too, because the bad actors get away with skirting that rule while continuously derailing, goading and inciting others to react from their ivory towers. The very same ones who then complain about mod biases. It's funny how that works



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    If your right , then so much for genuinely held beliefs or opinions. Just because a mod disagrees with something doesn't meant they are right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    You claimed bias. If mods are biased against all views then they are good mods



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,054 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There are signs.

    Repeated hit and run short or one liner posts making dubious claims...

    If its their genuine held belief they would engage with replies, provide justification, defend their point.

    When they dont... thats a good indication of a wind up merchant.

    Its not just a concept in Current Affairs forum or Politics. Poster of team A troll threads for rival teams in soccer rugby etc

    Its not just a Boards concept and there are different forms of trolling.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28slang%29

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    It depends. There are threads - one in particular - where all you can do is put up a post, possibly with a newsworthy event on the subject, and then maybe give a reply or two ... and run.

    Because that thread may have a bloodhound gang who will simply scream down on you and bombard you into oblivion. Possibly backed by a mod or two. With no good outcome for you ever.

    Speaking from first hand experience here. Which to be fair was on me anyway, I should have been wise enough to realise the pointlessness all along.

    Doesn't make me a troll though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Only 1 agenda is allowed on certain threads and that's it. Dare to suggest any other point of view and it's trolling, hit and runs islamaphobia, trumphobia, you name it phobia where everyone gangs up on the one who dares put forward a contrary view ( which is supposed to be against the rules) and then they're banned for not adhering to the agenda . Why would anyone bother to support their views in that environment.

    A video was put up with a Hamas leader, all we saw as a response was "the Zionists", not a word about the interview showing what Hamas is really like.

    CA is toxic, always has been and seems always will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,150 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Accusing mods of bias without any actual examples could also (eventually) be considered trolling. Accusing other posters of bias/….phobia without examples, and while refusing to actually offer an argument beyond 'you are biased' is also (eventually) trolling. There is a difference between offering an argument and having an unfiltered bias. And mods are entitled to an opinion, it doesn't prove bias. Christianity was/is modded by athiests (including me) for years with no issue.

    Someone asked on CA for a more balanced discussion, I asked which posters they could suggest should adopt an opposite view or become devil's advocate just in order to accommodate this. I am still waiting for a reply. Sometimes an overwhelming opinion is an indication of simply an overwhelming opinion, not bias or echo chamber, especially when the few opposers don't actually produce an argument, just 'this thread is biased' or 'this is a pile on'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,452 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    IMO in trolling.

    People making up ridiculous anecdotes.

    People constantly asking for sources when they never actually engage once someone backs up with a source.

    I thought I seen it all until I seen someone asked for a source for a prediction of a future event the other day.

    People using chat gpt to put together arguments.

    People using stupid and childish comments like grift and daily fail etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm pretty confident that you're referring to the Russia thread and if you can't argue your position to the point of having credibility them there's a reason it's such a minority viewpoint. There's an element of people simply complaining that they hold hugely unpopular viewpoints and not getting the time of day. That imho is not an issue of moderation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    There are so many issues with that thread and its bloodhound gang its beyond belief. Let me assure you this ^ is not the issue of that thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,926 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Extremely disappointing to see that a poster can make completely unfounded allegations that posters are 'anti jew' and this is not considered to be something to be visibly actioned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,643 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    most big threads in CA are now just a mess of obvious trolls obviously trolling and getting away with it. There is no reasonable discussion possible currently. The experiment has failed, can we have some actual moderation back please.



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