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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,333 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    not related to cycling in any way - but the topic of irish times clickbaity headlines (which don't match the content of the article) has been raised in this thread before. here's an example of one that became problematic.

    https://www.dublininquirer.com/rising-above-a-provocative-headline-a-woman-asks-the-press-to-frame-immigration-stories-with-care/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭p15574


    And also, what does the social media post have to do with it? What does the number of previous complaints the cyclist has made have to do with it? What difference does it make whether the driver got a phone call about his mother (unless he was also using a phone while driving) - he still shouldn't drive dangerously. I thought it was all supposed to be based on the evidence about the case in question - which the video captured. It's as if this was dismissed just to teach the cyclist a lesson, instead of convicting, to teach the dangerous driver a lesson.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Between this case and the recently mentioned Garda going WAAAAAAAAAY beyond his own powers and training on GDPR issues, one might just get an impression that 'the system' really doesn't welcome reports of offences from citizens.

    There's absolutely no point in the Gardai investing in the technology to allow these reports when the culture within the system works to frustrate reporting at every opportunity.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    funny enough, i was talking to a garda at the weekend who has just bought an 'e-bike' to commute to work and is delighted with it. it's capable of north of 50km/h, and he just uses the throttle. he seems totally unconcerned about it not being a bike. easy for him, he doesn't have to worry about being stopped on it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Almost takes an English publication to have something positive to say…

    The bicycle played a rich role in Ireland’s past. Now it is key to our future | Cian Ginty

    Edit: link won’t embed for me, but I see Zell12 has managed it below!

    Post edited by Paddigol on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,814 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


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    Despite what the CSO shows (which is qualitative, i.e. self-reported), quantitative data shows we need to work much harder than we have been on promoting cycling.

    It's also blatantly false to claim that the government pumped €360m per year between 2020 and 2025 into active travel.

    2020-2023 actual spending + 2024 allocated funding totalled €1billion as per the NTA themselves: https://www.nationaltransport.ie/publications/active-travel-investment-grants-2024-allocations/

    If you look at actual spending vs allocated spending for every year, you'll see a significant underspend compared to the headline claims. The same applies to greenway spending, where every year a headline figure was announced, generally under 50% was spent, and the next year's headline figure had a note stating that it included funding previously allocated and not drawn down.

    I'm also unaware of any local authorities that have made substantial progress on cycle networks, even DLRCC just has part of a coastal route and anything further is just in planning stages.

    I wish he'd stop using actual data and just be a pundit/opinion-type as he usually gets it wrong, sometimes it seems deliberately.


    If it was a SocDems councillor writing this in TheGuardian, Cian would have a piece on IrishCycle the next day accusing them of spreading misinformation tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Nice article, thanks but wow these couple of lines are depressing:
    "The number of secondary-school students travelling to school daily by bicycle declined from a peak of 50,648 in 1986 to 6,592 in 2011, a fall of 87%. In the late 1980s, more than 19,000 teenage girls cycled to school. That figure had fallen to only 529 in 2011"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,814 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    comments - is that true? 😯

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I can't see that even being close to true.

    The vast majority of roads in Dublin have neither bus lanes nor cycle lanes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    That would mean every road had effectively two bus lanes. In an ideal world, yes it would be true. In reality i sincerely doubt it's above 1 or 2%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It's mad to see those figures in black and white. What really got me was the corresponding increase in the number of cars on the roads. But they both tally with my general recollection of growing up through the 80s and 90s to where we are today.

    My parents' house, where I grew up, a typical late 70s semi-d estate, is almost impossible to navigate in a car now - every house has a car, most 2 and many 3. Half the cars are just parked up outside the houses, on the footpath etc. Turning what was essentially a two-way street into one where a single car can just about slalom up. When I was a kid, right up to the mid 90s, the cars were almost all parked in the driveways and we had free reign to use the street as a race track/ football pitch. Not a chance nowadays.

    What's very noticeable, just using my case as an example, is how it visibly shows not just the increase in the number of cars per household but also the increase in size of the cars now versus the 70s/ 80s and even 90s. When I was a kid, each driveway could fit two cars bumper to bumper (even without paving over the original front garden). Now you'd only fit one, and a lot of people have widened their driveways to even do that. Similarly, 20/ 30 years ago two cars could pass each other on the street with ease - now even if the street was empty you'd be pushing it to squeeze by.

    It's hard not to understand why parents are reluctant to let their children off on bikes outside in that environment.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i know in once census from sometime in the 2010s, the figures stated there were more secondary schoolgirls driving to school, than cycling to school.

    and to be clear - that was the girls driving to school, rather than being driven to school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,380 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    it's the usual "wAr on cARs!1" nonsense. To paraphrase Stewart Lee, these days if you say you drive a car, they'll arrest you!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,347 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I've noticed the same driving around rural roads in Wicklow the past few years. Even as late as the noughties/early 2010s you could easily drive most of the roads in Wicklow with two cars passing each comfortably. Now you have to slow down and be prepared to pull in each and every time you meet an oncoming car.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Desperately depressing, but its not just cycling.
    Its also walking, when I went to primacy school in the 80's you'd see maybe 20 cars outside the school in the mornings. Anyone local walked, I knew some in my class that cycled from 6 miles away!

    Now I recon over 90% of the same school get driven to school. Kids from as little as 300m away get driven even though there's a footpath the entire way!
    It's nuts and so, so depressing.

    My little lad starts school in Sept and I'll be one of two parents who cycle with their kid to school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭buffalo


    A cracking photograph: "Baker's Corner in 1955: Flann O'Brien looks on from the pub doorway during the then annual Dun Laoghaire Cycling Week."

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    a dramatic photograph of Baker’s Corner in action. It’s from 70 years ago this month, and the action is provided by a race in the then annual Dun Laoghaire Cycling Week, as competitors take a sharp left onto Rochestown Avenue.


    Female competitors in the 1955 events included one from England whose name, “Joy Bell”, hinted at infiltration by bike. But the competitions also included one, for the title “Miss Cycling”, that took the merging of personalities to a new level.

    Contestants had to “parade in their cycling club outfits, wheeling their machines”. The winner would be the one judge “smartest and prettiest, and with the most glamorous bicycle”.


    It’s a source of some regret to the Flannorak community, meanwhile, than an earlier version of the nearby Deansgrange cycle lane was not adopted. That would have involved routing part of the bike lane through a cemetery where, if its most famous literary resident is to be believed, some of the remains are majority bicycle anyway. O’Nolan would have enjoyed the joke. Relatives of the rest of the dearly departed were less amused.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    That has almost certainly been artificially coloured by AI FWIW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭p15574


    Obviously the cycling numbers dropped drastically during COVID, but I wonder if they've actually recovered fully? Perhaps the current number represents the same people as before, but with hybrid working, only in the office a few days a a week? The numbers counted would be very different if it was done on, say, a Monday vs a Wednesday, with all the TWaTs (Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday) workers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    It's possible, but if we look at numbers across the various transport types:

    Bus passengers have surpassed 2019 levels as of 2024.

    Rail passengers are back at 2016 levels but at 86% of 2019 (peak) levels.

    Luas numbers are back at 2019 (peak) levels.

    Car levels are where we would expect them to be given the downward trend over the last 18 years (48k, down from 58k in 2019) as well as the reduction in actual road space within the centre (i.e. less cars actually fit on city centre roads).

    Taxis are at 80% of 2019 levels..

    Pedestrians are at 75% of 2019 levels.

    Cyclists are at 81% of 2019 levels.

    Motorbikes are at 50% of 2019 levels.

    So public transport is back where it was at 2019 levels, but walking and cycling are far down.

    What would be useful would be demographic surveys of samples of these commuter types. My guess would be the majority of cycling-commuters wouldn't be the kind of people with office jobs subject to blended working, although a significant minority would be.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    would be curious as to the breakdown of cyclists; how many are office workers, who might be more likely to have access to secure bike parking/shower facilities, etc.; how many work in retail - and the detail i think could provide a twist, how many are food couriers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,711 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So public transport is back where it was at 2019 levels, but walking and cycling are far down.

    The increase in public transport can likely be attributed to the reduction in pricing. In contrast the reduction in cycling is likely because bikes (like everything) have gone up in price due to inflation.

    Could we put the reduction in walkers and down to climate change making our weather worse and the increase in violent driving attitudes? Perhaps to a lesser extent attribute these to the reduction in cycling also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    Sorry, but you can't just say "this thing is likely attributed to this thing" for no reason other than you want it to be. Bikes also haven't gone up in price in real terms, while cycle-to-work has gone up (although again, I'd have questions over how many cycle commuters have access to CTW).

    Public transport numbers increased consistently from 2010 onwards despite price increases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,711 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Just giving my opinion on what might be causing these figures

    Cycle to work is mainly public sector employees, most private companies don't want to hear about an interest free loan to their employees so I largely discount that

    Public transport increased massively when the price was cut 2 years ago. The €2 dublin fare is very good value for anybody in the capital



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭crayon80


    Did ye see this nonsense? Thank God we have people moving here from the US to teach us greenways are as scary as earthquakes. FFS.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41674523.html

    A woman who lived in constant fear when she lived in an earthquake zone in the US says plans to route a major Cork greenway through her family’s land have triggered the same deep-rooted anxiety.

    Also - And we want to build our home here, but there has been no real consultation about the route — it’s just awful. 

    Sure totally objective then 🙄 She also seems to have difficulty understanding that the reason this is being called the THIRD round of consultation is because, y'know, there have been TWO already.



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    "Cycle to work is mainly public sector employees, most private companies don't want to hear about an interest free loan to their employees so I largely discount that"

    Don't suppose you've any source for this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    You spoke very authoritatively for someone guessing. Again, bus passengers numbers historically haven't shown themselves to be particularly price-elastic if we look at pre-2020 data, and general research on the price elasticity of demand of public transport has shown it to be relatively inelastic.

    The €2 fare didn't see the same jump on luas passengers to nearly-pre covid levels as bus passengers, and bus passenger numbers also include longer distance buses that wouldn't be subject to the €2 fare.

    In my experience, most larger employers have C2W schemes that they farm out to the likes of biketowork.ie etc.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it does raise the question though as to what the balance of people working in the public vs. private sector is within the canals, against what the ratio is in general for dublin as a whole.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,711 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Personal experience - I've never worked for a private company that offered the C2W scheme and anybody I know working in one doesn't get it. The public sector have it though

    Might seem that way but no, it was a best guess to try to explain the situation



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