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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    If there's any truth to the rumours of a bust up, and that's a very big if, then a major shake up is needed for next season. Both playing personnel and management.

    Players not hanging around for the post match meal is easily verifiable as being true or not. Again if true, then that is hugely disappointing. Any player who excused themselves from the meal should be excused from next year's panel. It may be time to come down hard...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Ive heard a the same story around the same few players by at least 2 different sources..wint name them but looks like something definitely happened at ht and afterwards in the hotel...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Seadin


    It would only happen in Cork. The players just couldn't keep their heads for 35mins and try and finish the job. Those responsible for the burst up should never again play for Cork.

    An incredible turn of events. Lads and ladies Cork were so bad in the second half something had to be up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    Would also explain why the homecoming was kicked to touch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    So some individuals on the team decided to put their own personal grudges and grievances before the good of Cork on all Ireland final day? Disgraceful carry on if true. Especially when we were six points ahead at that stage.

    I honestly think if there is a new manager he needs to announce that there's a new sheriff in town and drop a big name or two. Or if Pat Ryan is staying on then he should do it.

    Look at the way Brian Cody ruthlessly got rid of Charlie Carter! Feck sake just win the all Ireland and sort out your petty grievances and bullshit afterwards. For god's sake there's going to be a Cork hurling version of Unlimited Heartbreak being written soon enough the way things are going!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Bring in Henry Shefflin while he’s free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Build the bridges after the row and cork are raging hot favorites next year. Ignore the fact Tipp hurled the arsehole off them, it's because of a row



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭lukin


    Yeah that's what I can't understand. It makes sense that there would be a bust-up after the game but why at half-time when they were winning?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,200 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Management wanted Downey to come off. Big refusals from clubmates (so the story goes)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭Formosa


    Carter packed it in, Cody didn't get rid of him…although maybe Carter would have had a case for "constructive dismissal".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭lukin


    So Rob Downey and Hoggie threw a strop, scandalous behaviour if true. They should never play for Cork again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Think this row if true is going do seriously harm to Cork. If true. Its looks like it's got some legs

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    It all sounds a bit far fetched.

    So management wanted to take Eoin Downey off at halftime, maybe cos he had picked up a yellow? Again, that seems pretty unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,200 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Does that seem unlikely? Wouldn’t have been an illogical substitution.

    And the fact the Glen lads didn’t go to the meal after etc then (which is a fact).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Do people actually believe this? Made up nonsense on Whatsapp. Jaysus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Unlikely, but as you say it's possible.

    In fact, didn't a similar thing happen in the league v Clare in Ennis ? Eoin Downey was struggling on Duggan, got a yellow and maybe fouled again after that…so management promptly subbed him and brought on Cahalane.

    But that was the league and Cork had the game already won. Plus I didn't think Downey was struggling that much in the first half on Sunday.

    And even if Pat Ryan had wanted to sub Eoin at half time, the fact is he didn't. Would he really have changed his mind over a strop by other players?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    Irrespective of any rumoured bust up, which could well be untrue. The fact that these 3 players didn't stay on for the meal is extremely disrespectful to their team mates and the management team. Players that they trained with all season. It says more about the 3 players than anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Made worse by the fact that Rob Downey is team captain. Doesn't show great leadership skills.

    (if true, of course)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭SSeanSS


    This all sounds like a desperate excuse made up to explain what happened in the second half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Or Tipp made the adjustments they needed to make at HT and came out and went for it - they had nothing to lose.

    Cork got caught on the hop, kept playing long. Next thing they know, the 6 point lead is gone. Players panic and the errors stand to compound. Once Downey gets set off that's game over.

    Tipp have their tails up, Ryan does nothing until its too late and the rest is history.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭mossie


    It is everywhere this morning, seems to be common knowledge whether or not it's true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭1373


    I've heard that nonsense of " Tipp having nothing to lose ". This is tipperary with a tremendous record of winning finals. Look at the last 20 years. As a Tipperary and hurling supporter, the hype got to Cork heads and believing your own hype knocks the fight out of anybody. A family member attended an question and answers gaa function in Cork before the final and came away believing that Cork people couldn't see tipp being able to keep with Cork. He was even asked would he take a bet giving Tipperary a 10 point head start. .I feel for Pat ryan, he put together a good outfit and comes across a good man . I feel next year, if Cork makes it back, then ye will approach a final with a much healthier attitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    6 points down with 35 mins to play - ie nothing to lose. No need to make more of it that what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Whatsapp has a habit of circulating crap alright



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭lukin


    Over the last couple of years Hoggy has become a bit too big for his boots and if this half-time bust-up story is true then it's time Ryan dropped him from the squad. He has become a bit like Ronaldo in the Portugal team; he thinks he is more important than the manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Field east


    if the AI was your typical game of hurling at any level and especially with Cork involved the following would have been the general pattern in the second half:-

    (1) cork played poorly in the first half and under normal circumstances it would have expected to UP IT’S game in the second half

    (2) Cork would have expected Tipp to ‘COME BACK AT THEM ‘ at some stage - which happened but the question is could Tipp keep up the intensity of that ‘come back’. I , myself still believed that Tipp got into the lead too early because it then gave Cork the chance to keep pace with Tipp and then ‘ put on the BURNERS ‘ in the last five minutes

    But point one and two never happened. Except that Tipp kept up the required intensity throughout the second half

    I note that there was ‘a row’ apparently in the Cork dressing room during half time. Let’s assume that it involved a small no of players with management. Then what about the majority of the players not involved and their chance of winning their first Ai medal . They were not involved and one would have expected them to ‘PLAY OuT of THEIR SKINS’ . There was mention of a player leading the way and try to take the game to Tipp by some daring runs, etc. but that never happened either. Nobody on the Cork team did not seem driven enough to win their first AI medal. Most of them did get a taste of victory when they won the league and munster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    What a absolute mess this whole saga has become.

    Don't think people see how bad this could be and the long term effects this could last for years.

    We can be either gutless and walk away from whole thing or we can face it on chin call it out for what it was and make sure it never happens.

    One will keep barren years going, the other might finally get us over the line.

    We have gone soft as **** and it's time to finally admit it and try rectify it.

    We have a fantastic tradition in Hurling and in finals and a 120 years of success is not going damage the last 20 years of mostly failure. But we need face this head on. Accept it for what it is. Or else we ain't be truthful to ourselfs, the team and the next generation.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭1373


    In Tipperary, we care for the full-time score



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Spot on. Some posters are in denial about the depth of Cork's problems. People dismiss the rumours but even here in Clare this morning, detailed accounts of incidents and the individuals involved are circulating constantly. Even if the stories are exaggerated, damage is already done, Cork County board needs to address the matter urgently and get control of the narrative before it spirals further. I grew up in a county where rumours of what happened Clare in the 1955 munster final still caused tensions years later, believe it or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,863 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    I dunno....

    Six points up at half time in an All Ireland Final is perfect conditions for a row!



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