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Irish citizens illegally in the US under Trump?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Unless the US has changed, you do not need permission to leave, and there used not be any exit passport control. If this has changed then my comments may be outdated.

    If things have not changed then he can leave, his problem would have been returning. However, he could have applied for a visa, with the documentation showing why he had overstayed the last time and pointing out that he had informed them of his problems. The bureaucratic visa people may be more systematic than the enforcement cowboys.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Was it disclosed about when he was arrested for the domestic and how long after his visa expired (and after his calf healed) was that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I would strongly suspect that the US authorities are monitoring airline bookings and booking codes, and are at least sharing this information with Canada.

    For a long time, Canada didn't check exits out of the country and visa-overstayers would account for the largest amount of immigration violations in the country.

    Regarding Mexico, I don't think they share airline bookings with the US. So if somebody by accident or other involuntary matter like a medical issue overstayed the 90 days it's better to leave the US via Mexico, walk across the border and try getting a flight out of Mexico back to Ireland. It would leave no record with the airlines and the US authorities on the US/Mexico border would hardly prevent you from leaving. Thus one would probably have a better chance upon re-entering the US in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    You could still be in difficulty if they could not identify on which date you left. The Canadians do share data and leaving via Canada is probably not very different from flying directly from the US.

    However, my point is that if you are prevented from leaving for a medical reason, you could in a coma in hospital, then it is possible to put things right after the event if you get to the right office.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So it seems like this lad overstayed, got arrested for holding his girlfriend against her will, appeared in court, picked up by ice, asked if he could just go home, was told no you have court case pending, and when court case was resolved he was sent home.

    And that’s it? The amount of undocumented Irish in the US and we have just this one solitary case which seems somewhat justified?

    I have great sympathy and well wishes to anyone overstaying in the US, but I’m pretty sure that every last one of them had the same thought entering their head on that 91st day, fcuk it I’ll take the risk, worse case scenario they send me back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The thing is you seem to think everything is justified. We've also got Cliona Ward who literally lived in the US since childhood legally getting caught on a pretty minor drug offence that was already expunged at the state level ending up 17 days in detainment. And that's ignoring the far more extreme cases eg people having their civil rights removed and being sent off to El Salvador with no chance of a fair trial.

    But honestly, you're the guy justifying limits of one roll of toilet paper so human rights etc don't seem to register.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/08/irish-woman-cliona-ward-detained-us-immigration-released-17-days-custody



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That’s how the world works chewy, there are rules, some just, some unjust, and there are consequences for breaking those rules, some just, some unjust, and for the life of me I can’t see how the punishment for overstaying in a country is unjust when simply sending them back home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Weirdly you don't seem to hold the same feelings for Trump and his criminality. In relation to those who were sent to El Salvador, there's pretty open questions on if they were even in gangs. In fact the very deportations appear to have been illegal.

    So nope, you seem to think that the Trump administration are entirely above the law and should be allowed to behave illegally, due process out the window.

    Also the scenarios we have discussed didn't simply involve sending them back to their country of origin. So you're intentionally misrepresenting it.

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,419 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Really not sure why you are talking about him possibly returning in future, that's not relevant at all to what happened to him and now seems very unlikely to ever be allowed to happen (or wanted by him)

    If you turn up now at an airport having overstayed, you are at serious risk of detention by ICE. Ironic, I know, that they are in effect stopping people from leaving, but that's how crazy things are there now. $$$$$ for the Republican-donating private prison operators.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    If they are now stopping people from leaving then that is different, but I hadn't seen any accounts of that happening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I do understand your point. It's simply about being prevented from leaving for either a medical reason or some other reason beyond your control.

    I suppose one could also try walking across the unobserved parts of the border to Canada, and book a flight back to Ireland from Canada. Also tricky and most likely illegal, but if not caught, one could at least argue having left the US within the 90 day limit and nobody could say otherwise as there are no records.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Sneak across the Canadian border and ride the rails until you get to New Foundland, from there secure working passage on a trawler to the French islands of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It's Newfoundland, one word, not two.

    In Canada there is no ICE the way the US has it.

    What can happen is those who overstay visas in Canada is that they are confronted with a court order or some kind of removal order. In such a case any kind of visa application or naturalization is impossible. However showing up at an airport with a ticket booked for home wouldn't bother the authorities in terms of locking one up and sending somebody to some camp and keeping them there for weeks in a row.

    In the end, it's about avoiding ICE in the US, and getting some kind of re entry ban for 5 years or for life into the US for something happening beyond somebody's control and that would call for more creative solutions….

    Also anybody with any kind of temporary visa in Canada is easily spotted when seeking employment as they are issued a SIN number starting with a 9. Then the employer knows this individual is only temporarily in Canada and can and most likely ask to see the visa and how long it is.

    PRs have the same SIN numbers as Canadian citizens, starting from 1 to 8 depending on which province they've applied.

    It would seem that up until recently in the US one could have gotten a SIN number same as a Green Card holder or a citizen, just with a tourist visa and could start working illegally without the employer noticing much….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No you aren't. There are no immigration checks on leaving the country. Your passport or US license is scanned by the tsa and the gate agents but they have nothing to do with immigration and can't see anything to do with your status. Its purely to verify your identity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,103 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    If you turn up now at an airport having overstayed, you are at serious risk of detention by ICE.


    It’s not the turning up at the airport that matters, it’s the being arrested by police in the state of Georgia that’ll do it -

    Republican lawmakers in Georgia last year also passed state legislation requiring police to alert immigration authorities when an undocumented person is arrested, which could have played a role in Thomas being flagged to Ice, said Samantha Hamilton, staff attorney with Asian Americans Advancing Justice-Atlanta, a non-profit group that advocates for immigrants’ rights. She met Thomas on a legal visit at the BoP Atlanta facility.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/15/irish-tourist-ice-detention



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,763 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Are people that don’t overstay their visas safe? So don’t break the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,103 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I’m not trying to be funny or anything, but I genuinely don’t understand the question. Surely by virtue of overstaying their visa, they are not safe?

    The thing with yer man was he wasn’t picked up at the airport as he tried to leave the country or anything like it, he was picked up at the jail gate, after ICE had been informed by officers who had arrested him, who by law in the state of Georgia had to report him because he had no right to be in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Exactly, for all the faux outrage this seems to be the consequences of this idiots own actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I wouldn't trust the US in the current climate, even if entered legally as a tourist and within the 90 day limit. Suppose you're at the wrong place at the wrong time ( like visiting a friend for coffee who is working at a business with lot's of illegals and a raid is going on) ICE could still pick you up, detain you and send you to some immigration detention and removal center surrounded by aligators. There you will be housed in a cage, only get food to eat with your hands and mouth like an animal, will be beaten, possibly raped and sent to a further prison in Latin America where the "treatment" continiues. Don't expect fair justice or a fair trial, - you'll have no rights.

    It pays to wait until the Trump presidency is over for a trip to the US, maybe some scandal will force Trump into resignation and then the climate changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭Quags


    "only get food to eat with your hands and mouth like an animal, will be beaten, possibly raped "

    Sorry what 🤐



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Being a person who became ill and was advised not to fly does not make you an idiot.

    Characterising such a person as an idiot might.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I think part of the issue is that he was not incapable of leaving the country on schedule, he chose not to because it was inconvenient to do so. And then came to the attention of law enforcement, though I acknowledge that being a mental health issue, he may not have had control over that part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    His doctor told him not to fly. Are you saying that he should have to Mexico by road or taken a boat to the Bahamas?

    The basic problem here is that there is no office where you can go along with the medical paperwork and get the visa waiver extended by 2 weeks. People do get sick, people do have road accidents etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    There is a process to do this. A quick Google and you can find this info

    VWP entrants are generally not eligible for an extension of stay or change of status.[11] However, where an emergency or unforeseen circumstance prevents the departure of a VWP entrant, USCIS may exercise discretion to grant up to 30 days to allow for satisfactory departure.[12] For those VWP entrants already granted satisfactory departure and unable to depart within this 30-day period because of an emergency or unforeseen circumstance, USCIS has the authority to provide an additional 30-day period of satisfactory departure.[13] Officers determine whether an emergency or unforeseen circumstance constitutes an emergency that merits an approval of satisfactory departure.

    To request satisfactory departure from USCIS, a VWP entrant should contact the USCIS Contact Center[14] and provide proof of the emergency or unforeseen circumstance. 



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Boats and trains do exist, yes. Where the person ends up is not the US' concern, but a ship to the UK is possible from New York and Irish people tend not to have issues getting into Canada either.

    Maintenance of Status is at the discretion of the adjudicating official, but the publicly stated guidance is for that the individual be "unable" to leave the country. Examples given are natural disasters, pandemic, hospitalization. He seemed to be operating under the assumption that an extension was a given (it was not) and that it can be inferred pending resolution (It cannot). The regulation does not distinguish between method of travel. He could have left the country, he did not. A risk inherently follows. Perhaps the interpretations of the regulation are not very sympathetic, but they are valid.

    Common advice on travel websites is to leave some days in reserve in travel planning to deal with unforeseen circumstances. Flights get canceled, etc. Immigration won't care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The newspaper article implies that he did contact the authorities with the medical documentation, but he hadn't heard back.

    The existence of this provision should have meant that he not held for long but given a 30 day extension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭TokTik


    How did he come to the attention of ICE, per chance?? His own idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    From all reports he had a mental health episode which I wouldn't classify as simply idiocy.



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