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Donald Trump the Megathread part II

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  • #28232
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662116#Comment_123662116

    Really? 🙄



  • #28233
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s business language for 10x lower, you guys are starting to make maga look like Mensa members



  • #28234
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662116#Comment_123662116

    No he clearly isn't - you cant reduce the price of something by more than N-100% - going negative isnt possible, unless you want pay customers to take your good. You can increase the price of something to as many % as you want.

    Post edited by twinytwo on


  • #28235
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,850 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662116#Comment_123662116

    No, but if you decrease something by 100% you have nothing left. Increasing by 100% means double the initial amount.



  • #28236
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,187 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662116#Comment_123662116

    Mathematically it may be possible to reduce by 1000%, but practically, in the real world, it is not. No one mentioned increase the discussion was about reduction. This is a stupid discussion.



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  • #28237
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,702 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    digging-thank-you.gif

    to reiterate, its IMPOSSIBLE to reduce the price of anything by more than 100%

    after that you are not reducing its price, your giving it away for free.



  • #28238
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,950 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662044#Comment_123662044

    If something costs $100 and you reduce by 99% then it would cost $1

    If something costs $100 and you, reduce it by 1000% it now costs -$900



  • #28239
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,319 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662043#Comment_123662043

    I only hope and wish her well on her choice of lawyers, both constitutional and criminal. She will do well to cover herself with a multitude in lawyers.



  • #28240
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662131#Comment_123662131

    Just stop FFS! You cannot make a price ten times lower than it is. It's not business language, its ptimary school maths for Christ's sake!

    If the price is €100, making it ten times (€100 × 10 = €1,000) is not going to do much for your company despite sales skyrocketing!

    🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄



  • #28241
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,939 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Software developer here. We do actually have a customer (quite a large retailer) who does percentage decreases the weird way that Trump is doing it.

    Ye are all correct that increasing one item from €50 to €100 is a 100% increase, whereas decreasing another item from €100 to €50 is just a 50% decrease. However they want those price changes to cancel each other out for internal reporting purposes, so we calculate the latter as a 100% decrease. It pained me to program that calculation. I don't know how common it is in business.



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  • #28242
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662131#Comment_123662131

    It really, really isn't.



  • #28243
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,282 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662131#Comment_123662131

    Claiming it's business language doesn't ring true. He could say ten times less and that would make mathematical sense. You just have a tendency to explain away stupid **** that comes from his administration. Can't expect more from a guy who uses a roll of toilet paper per month though.



  • #28244
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,702 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662174#Comment_123662174

    but even using that analogy, one item must rise in price for the decrease of another item to be expressed in terms of over 100%.

    Trump is claiming he will reduce ALL American pharmacy drugs by over 1000%. Not possible.

    But god only knows what goes on in his remedial mind



  • #28245
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,319 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662052#Comment_123662052

    Further to that: The temporary appointment she got from Trump as temporary D.A. for the district of New Jersey has been terminated and her assistant prosecutor voted in by a panel of mostly democrat-appointed Federal Judges.

    Apparently two Democrat senators, Corey Booker and Andy Kim, halted the appointment in congress. Habba was the D.A who charged Newark's mayor with trespass at a N.J. migrant holding centre after he was arrested during a row with border agents there. Habba also said she would pursue charges against politicians who violate Trump's executive orders.

    The peculiar thing about this alleged termination is that the Daily Mail is wording it as Habba no longer having an official role in the Trump Admin while claiming that Trump formally appointed her to the permanent position.



  • #28246
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No matter what brain dead drivel Trump comes out, whether economically illiterate, whether it is vile racism, whether it is outright corruption… we get the nit picking and the technicalities and the weasel words and the both sides false equivalences being trotted out… only ever for Trump.

    Once you start defending a rapist, all bets are off.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #28247
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662171#Comment_123662171

    Really, if an item was previously 100 bucks and it now costs 10 bucks it now has a price 10 times lower than the previous price, in business or financial terms it is then said to be 10x lower, or the inverse of 10x higher (1000%) which is 1000% lower.

    I’m happy to translate any further trump posts if needed.



  • #28248
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662218#Comment_123662218

    Give me the percentage reduction in your example!

    Then give us an example with a 1000% reduction.

    🙄



  • #28249
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,850 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662218#Comment_123662218

    Ann has 10 apples, she gives Barry 100% of her apples. Barry now has all 10 of Ann's apples.

    If Ann was to give Barry 150% of the number of apples she has, that means she has given Barry all of her apples and another 5 apples that she has plucked from the ether.



  • #28250
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,282 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662218#Comment_123662218

    In business terms, going from a hundred to ten is a 90% reduction in the overall price. Can you point to a report from any business that makes any such claim. You vaguely claiming that this is business lingo isn't proof of it being.



  • #28251
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662234#Comment_123662234

    Like I said, its primary school maths 🙄



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  • #28252
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662218#Comment_123662218

    If an item was previously 100 bucks and it now costs 10 bucks, it has a price one-tenth of the previous price.

    You are counting the reduced price as being the 100%, and the current price as being 1000%. That is completely incorrect. The current, 100% value of the item, is the 100 bucks. If it is then reduced to 10 bucks, the price is 90% lower, not 1000% lower.

    I'd suggest you use a calculator, but I'd be afraid you'd set your microwave to run for 20 hours.



  • #28253
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,796 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Jesus that’s some mental gymnastics to get there.
    so when he originally was talking of reducing drug prices by up to 90% did he mean 9%?



  • #28254
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,702 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    probably not a surprise to many to say that a lot of Americans do not understand what "per cent" means…..

    from chatgpt

    While most Americans are taught about percentages in school, many struggle to understand and apply them correctly in real-world situations, particularly with more complex calculations. Studies indicate a significant portion of the population has difficulty with percentages, especially those exceeding 100% or when dealing with fractions and decimals. 

    The ability to apply percentages in practical situations, like understanding financial statements, interpreting statistical data, or making informed consumer choices, is not consistently strong across the population. 

    10x is not a percentage.



  • #28255
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,926 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662218#Comment_123662218

    Genuinely embarrassed for you reading though this.

    You must already know you're wrong, and are flailing about trying to recover somehow, but it's painful to look at.

    I just logged onto Sketch engine, and using the English Web 2021 online corpus of just over 52 billion words, I searched for '1000% reduction' and got this:

    image.png
    Post edited by osarusan on


  • #28256
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,939 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662239#Comment_123662239

    As said, but I obviously can't name them, a big retailer in Ireland does their internal accounts this way. Increase widgets from €80 to €100 this month, its a 25% increase. Put them back to €80 next month and it's a 25% decrease (not the 20% that you and me would calculate).
    They are happy with the figure this gives them for cumulative/total percentage increases/decreases on a range over a period.

    If they did it the 'normal way' it would be 25% up, 20% down which would be a misleading +5% in the total column.

    (When they advertise the price decrease they do use 20% though, so both methods of calculation are stored)



  • #28257
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662293#Comment_123662293

    If they did it the 'normal way' it would be 25% up, 20% down which would be a misleading +5% in the total column.

    Who in the name of god puts percentages in a total column.

    That big retailer is clearly managed by clowns.



  • #28258
    Hoop66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662044#Comment_123662044

    Oh dear. Seems someone's desire to distract from Trump being just phenomenally stupid is making them forget basic arithmetic.



  • #28259
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662273#Comment_123662273

    I once had to spend almost an hour explaining to a fairly senior US colleague the difference between Percent and percentage point.

    e.g Going from 50% to 55% is a 10% improvement or a 5 percentage point improvement.

    They just couldn't wrap their head around it..I had to break out a pen and paper to explain it to them.



  • #28260
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,939 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662307#Comment_123662307

    I don't disagree with you. Normally we'd base such a percentage field on the overall sum of the prices, rather than doing a totaliser for the individual percentages themselves. They wanted both! Meh, I do what they ask, 'umble developer.
    But it was the first thing that came to mind when I saw DJTs spewings on the matter.



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  • #28261
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,282 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123662358#Comment_123662358

    Yep I've encountered weird scenarios like that but it really doesn't make sense in this context.



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