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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Feel free to tell the Irish parents that.

    I suppose anyone complaining that the dept. of social welfare spent 7k on a new engine for a Ukranians Mercedes is also a bad name?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    We've been hearing that for a decade and so far all I've seen the far right in Ireland do is dress up as Himmler and lose.

    Timoney isn't wrong. We've designed an economic system that needs perpetual growth while stripping away the means by which growth can be achieved, namely building infrastructure and housing. The NIMBYs and the others who need their investments to keep growing don't care that millenials can't afford children so immigration becomes more and more important. In addition, climate change is going to render vast tracts of arable land infertile so people are going to have to move.

    No amount of racism from bad actors like grift.ie changes this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I'm always suspicious of posts that have a clause to the effect of "and if you don't agree with me, you're Himmler or far-right or racist" or whatever.

    Post edited by Emblematic on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭plodder


    Is immigration controllable, and if so, should we be trying to control it?

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    But "If you don't agree with me, you want open borders/work for an NGO/far left" is absolutely fine of course.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭plodder


    That's debatable. But, if it is, then should we reduce it?

    It would be an extraordinary situation surely, if we could control the one factor that will prevent us from solving the housing crisis, but then choose not to … ?

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Not really. When the non-EU migrants equals the EU migrants it means the door is wide open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭Quags


    But in reality it is not enough. Every country needs its fair share of those from overseas who come to new lands & make lives here and contribute to society & I think most people on this forum are happy with those who contribute.

    What pisses the "Far Right & Racists" off is those who come here and offer absolutely 0 to this country & milk the system dry & get benefits, You just have to wander down Moore St anyday of the week and see what type of people I am talking about.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It isn't. People have to meet certain criteria to come to Ireland.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭plodder


    What isn't? The question was should we reduce immigration, since you said we control it?

    IMO, we should reduce it. We need to shut the door temporarily on legal immigration, and work with the rest of the EU to stem the flow of asylum seekers. Unless we don't care about the housing crisis of course.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    But if it is still fuelling population growth, and by extension demand, at an unsustainable rate does that not indicate that more stringent criteria should be put in place until when can get a better handle on the existing capacity issues?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That it's debatable. Immigration is objectively being controlled. Whether or not the number of immigrants is too high is absolutely debatable but there are no open borders.

    That's just a pathetic straw man.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,347 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    No fees to pay, free accommodation and between 900 and € 1150 per month of a Stipend, if attending a university , compare that to Irish kid's, a lot of whom get nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    Junior partners in government calling for exit checks to be implemented on deportations. With the miniscule amount of deportations it's quite telling the goverment can't even get that right. They have no idea who is actually present in the state and we have become quite the dumping ground into and out of Europe for the people trafficking industry.

    I believe the make uppy term the previous hapless goverment trotted out in their PR exposes with RTÉ was "voulantary deportations"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,326 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,258 ✭✭✭✭klose


    I live near, since when is the area a no go? There’s issues with the site for sure, but the local concerned group going on about how it will be full of RaPiNg aNd PillaGiNg MuSliM mIliTaREy mEn meant you could never take them seriously and were a joke from day 1. (I see it’s actually Ukrainians in there who’d have thought?)

    Also, why do so many go on about destroying fairy forts? Are they worried Santa and the tooth fairy might have been affected when they cleared out the ditches?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭plodder


    That's just a pathetic straw man.

    No, that's a straw man as I never mentioned open borders. I can't make you discuss the issue in good faith, so I'm just here to tell you that people are not going to accept waffle like the above any more.

    The public understand simple sums like population increase versus annual housing completions, and what that means for house prices and supply. What's different now is that some serious commentators are articulating the problem at least, if not the solution.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You did. You were saying that immigration is uncontrolled, ie open borders. If you want to act in bad faith, that's fine but facts are facts.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,225 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Simon Harris has said he wants to see emergency planning measures that were introduced for international protection accommodation “phased out”, if Ireland builds capacity for future emergencies.

    Under the emergency legislation introduced two years ago to cope with a surge in people coming to Ireland to seek asylum, normal planning processes can be bypassed to set up accommodation.

    Harris said the multi-billion euro investment contained within today’s revised National Development Plan will help provide the infrastructure to help ensure that Ireland is less reliant on an “emergency response to migration” as seen over the past three years in Ireland.

    Simon Harris wants to see emergency planning designation for Ipas centres phased out

    They should never have been allowed to begin with

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭plodder


    The suggestion in the article I quoted was that immigration is uncontrollable. I then asked you:

    "Is immigration controllable, and if so, should we be trying to control it?"

    I never said "immigration is uncontrolled" so please don't misquote me. How much control we have over our immigration system is open to discussion, and can't simply be summarised with the phrase you seem to imagine I used "open borders".

    I then asked you:

    "The question was should we reduce immigration, since you said we control it?"

    The question above still stands if you want to answer it….

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Marcos


    But, but, but, International obligaaaaysshuns.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I noticed there's a lot of misquoting in this thread. Sometimes it could be a genuine mistake but a lot of the time people let their feelings get in the way of sound judgment.

    Take a deep breath, read the post and you'll all soon realise there's a massive immigration scandal taking place that'll be a massive cost to the Irish people going forward. It'll be felt for generations to come. The current generation coming up, when they're educated and realise what's happened will say NEVER AGAIN!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    If under the current controls it is still fuelling population growth, and by extension demand, at an unsustainable rate does that not indicate that more stringent criteria should be put in place until we can get a better handle on the existing capacity issues?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's perfectly reasonable but it will come with trade offs. I don't see Irish people queuing for a lot of low paid jobs such as caring and cleaning. Are people prepared to pay more tax for the higher wages that will be required to get Irish people into these jobs?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Bringing migrants to do low paid jobs that natives don't want because they can't live on such pay is the modern equivalent of slavery. The people doing these low paid jobs will pay fk all in taxes but will want access to publicly funded services like healthcare and education, so in the end we will still have to pay more taxes with the added trouble of low skilled migration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There's an energy response to house foreigners but not Irish or the hidden homeless in Ireland.

    We're second class for now, potentially 3rd class in future.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is the sort of hysterics that makes rational debate impossible, honestly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    In Ireland, we don't or can't control:

    (1) the number of Irish returning is not directly controllable, although we can encourage them

    (2) the flow in and out of EU migrants is not directly controllable, although we should remove EU migrants who can't take care of themselves

    (3) the number of UKR refugees with BOTP arriving

    (4) the number of AS arriving, although we can influence it

    We directly control:

    (1) the number of programme refugees accepted

    (2) the number of UKR refugees with BOTP who can stay here after BOTP ends (in my opinion this should be zero, or maybe let 10k stay on two conditions: they must work in construction and they can never receive any social assistance)

    (3) the number of failed AS that we let stay



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,952 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How do you encourage Irish people to return with things as they are? I saw a job in Mayo a week or two back and when I looked for property to rent, there was literally nothing in the town the position was in. 0 results with no filters on Daft.ie.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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