Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Maybe this should have being done for the Irish homeless & emergency housing years ago before any of this carry on start happening. Basically this is your chance to live here and if ye don’t like it well to the bottom of the list ye go

Oh now that we're allowed anecdotes I've always wanted to say this about my experience with Ukrainians. I know 2 who rent in a friend's house as refugees. Obviously paid for. Had a few sessions with them and despite being young, qualified they don't want to do a tap. I suggested they just get any job like working in a shop or something to pass the time and they were like yeah. Imo benefits should be reduced and told to leave the second the war is over.

But I work with a Ukrainian who had to downgrade their role as their qualifications are not recognised here. Hardest worker in the place by far and I really hope they stay when it's all done. A model immigrant with a great attitude and work ethic.

But it just shows why we should have an absolute no nonsense approach. Zero tolerance for wasters but entertain those contributing if possible.

Had the same situation in work. There was a lad in the office I work at who went totally down the far right rabbit hole and everyone avoided him. I think it makes people pariahs when they get too much into the echo chamber and then start talking like that in real life. He eventually got let go for some "other reasons" but management and staff just wanted him out. I also got into a taxi once and the driver went on about LGBT "Look at that non binary hahaha", I immediately told him to stop and got out.

@Ha Long Bay I hear you but can you read the below and tell me do you still think you are not treated as a 2nd class citizen? Maybe my interpretation of the below is wrong. But it just seems crazies to me. And this is just a small part of a bigger picture. I welcome back your perspective.

https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-justice-home-affairs-and-migration/publications/speech-by-minister-for-justice-home-affairs-and-migration-jim-ocallaghan-a-contested-arena-balancing-competing-human-rights-in-the-area-of-justice-home-affairs-and-migration/

The stand out paragraphs

On 10 April this year in proceedings brought against Ireland by two international protection applicants, the Advocate General gave an opinion that Ireland as an EU Member State cannot avoid responsibility for providing adequate reception conditions even in cases where there is a large influx of people seeking international protection, as was the case last year. The Government argued the breaches were due to exceptional circumstances, namely an influx of asylum seekers, which amounted to "force majeure" under EU law. The Advocate General ruled that under the directive a member state could not avoid a claim for damages because of a defence of force majeure.

If that opinion is upheld by the CJEU, which is the most likely outcome, it will mean that people in Ireland who are entitled to be on social housing lists or homeless lists and who have not been provided with accommodation will be in a situation where they cannot receive damages for the state’s failure to provide accommodation, whilst applicants for asylum will immediately on arrival in Ireland be able to claim and receive Francovich damages from the State if it cannot provide them with accommodation. That will be a very consequential decision that will be very hard to justify, not just to citizens of Ireland but of all member states. We should try to ensure that in trying to vindicate certain rights we do not marginalise or demote other equally legitimate rights.

Ahahaha

"never been demonstrated"

Except in housing and social welfare and now college fees

Immigrants are increasingly taking up a limited number of college spaces as 3rd level institutions cash in on those foreign fees. Many Irish miss out on college places for their desired courses thanks to inflated points. Rich foreigners taking the place of the natives.

I suppose we're used to it. A few centuries of rich Brits taking our priority trained us well.

"Ukrainian students who have been granted Temporary Protection can access free tuition fees at publicly funded higher education institutions for the 2025/26 academic year, according to the Irish government. This is facilitated through the Higher Education Temporary Tuition Fee Support Scheme for Displaced Persons (Ukraine). Additionally, eligible students may receive a financial stipend to help with living costs. "

Ukrainian students get the lot for free, this was in the news quite a bit lately m8

@Ha Long Bay you might not think you are, that does not mean you are not. The Jim speech I referenced to you implies you are, IMHO. If you are homeless and there is an an AS looking for a home then the AS gets the home before you. Therefore you are 2nd class or prioritised over or whatever you want to call IT.

Or another way to look at it is the AS can sue the govt but the homeless irish cant. It just crazy, nonsense.

Again i am oversimplifying it and this is only a small part of it. But what do you think of the implication of Jims speech?

Our hero.