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Donald Trump the Megathread part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,311 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    A question (or two) that might seem strange; It seems to me that a lot of us believe that a lot of U.S citizens do not have passports needed for foreign travel, have never been outside U.S borders and are therefore insular in belief. If that is true, would that not have an effect on their voting habits, seeing as they have not experienced foreign travel, have not lived with the locals abroad and not experienced living abroad which would have broadened their horizons literally.

    Would a limited experience to foreigners living styles have left them at the mercy of their politicians like Trump, who has been abroad and knows the weakness of an insular upbringing?

    I am excluding U.S citizens who have served abroad in various functions and employments and the average visitor to the auld country their forebears came from in Europe in the hope they'd have had their eyes opened.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    lol, those poor buggers were a smidgen short of weapons grade uranium and possess a religious conviction to blow all of the western world to smithereens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,311 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    One thing that I keep seeing is the unpleasant chance - for some-one - that there's a locked box somewhere which is only to be opened in the case of an unusual demise, life insurance as it were. One has to look towards whomever is more likely to be caught in the media spotlight if something were to happen to Maxwell, ala Epstein, something with more power than an oddly worded birthday greeting card. Epstein died before Maxwell went to prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,864 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,505 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    REPORTER: Gabbard has submitted a criminal referral. Who should the DOJ target?

    TRUMP: It would be President Obama. And Biden was there with him ... the leader of the gang was Obama. Barack Hussein Obama. He's guilty. This is treason.

    Two things. Every time he says Hussein, it shows he is a racist piece of ****.

    Secondly, more distraction BS. He's hoping his base hates Obama more than they hate paedophiles.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,453 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Obama lives completely rent free in his little brain.

    He isn't very good at hiding his racism at all, mind you, he never has been.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    It makes sense when you think about it. The US is huge and offers lots of different experiences. Their need to go abroad isn't really as much as in Europe. Plus because it is so huge, going abroad for alot of them is pretty expensive, the flights are much longer and the trip to/from the airport is much longer. Because of this it makes sense that if you are going to go abroad, you go for a longer holiday. Most Europeans wouldn't travel to the US for a long weekend because of the cost and time spent travelling but happily would go on a long weekend city break somewhere in Europe. Going for longer holidays really pushes up the cost. Plus, Americans don't really get the same amount of holidays as we do, in general, so going on a foreign holiday eats up more of their holiday time.

    If you are somewhere in the middle of the US a flight to Mexico will cost hundreds, take probably 6+hours and might even require a stop over. That's a pretty significant barrier. Here in Europe we can get cheap direct flights to other countries that take an hour or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,064 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I'm doubtful re: passports.

    Sure if they spent time in California or New York city that'd be a shock to the system for some.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Has Manic been along to tell us what this army vet did wrong and why his detention was justified yet? I’m a bit behind in the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    He’s a veteran those losers deserve it

    Should have stayed at home and partied on Epstein Island like captain bone spurs done

    /s



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,311 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    After his latest charge against Obama accusing him of treason, and Gabbard accusing Obama and others of treason and sedition, I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump is terrified of losing hold of the presidency and facing retribution for his varied crimes.

    The question now is who is going to take the big step and gut him by releasing incontrovertible proof to the media and the internet of Trump's guilt; a Republican or a Democrat?

    Speaker Johnson appears to be scared shitless as well by refusing to allow the Epstein affair go to a vote on the floor for an investigation. It's time to cut loose and start a run on Johnson by asking, on the internet: Mr Speaker, what do YOU KNOW about the Epstein file?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,269 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    🤣

    "traditional right wing political views"

    said the guy who admitted to being a fascist and couldn't bring himself to condemn the Nazis.

    It's hard to tell if some of these people are just thick as **** or actually crazy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Or both of these while being incredibly hateful.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭valoren


    If Trump had nothing to hide then he'd be imploring Johnson to hold a vote and get the files released to clear himself. That Trump is not only doing that but Johnson also shutting down any chances of files released via a vote is indicative of how truly damaging the contents must actually be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,311 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Maybe the Coca Cola and Washington Commanders Redskins kerfuffle was a diversion for Trump, along with the Epstein List distraction making him take his eye off the ball. Allegedly he was caught on the hop twice by his favourite Israeli when Benny authorized his military to carry out attacks in Syria and Gaza, something Trump did not receive an advance warning of. It looks like Putin is not the only friend who's gone rogue on Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    The US fuss over this Epstein stuff, and Trump's connections does surprise me a little. It's quite late in the day to me (?), after the man has been elected to the highest office twice!

    I mean, I think I remember the "Access Hollywood" tape (that did happen didn't it?), and several women coming forward about him…erm…taking liberties during his first run. It didn't sink him. I really hoped + I expected it would, but it didn't.

    He was involved with that pageant/beauty contest stuff for a long time. Even if he never did anything illegal, it was seedy and disgusting. All of that was known for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,505 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    But don't you think his reaction to stuff coming out is very very telling?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,689 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    But nothing can damage him in the eyes of MAGA?

    Thats why I don't get his fear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭mountain


    trump has elevated himself to a practically untouchable position, the media are wary of him, voters won’t have the opportunity to pass judgement on him as he won’t be running again.
    meanwhile the democrats flounder with no leadership, and Trumps acolytes are positioning themselves for the next presidential election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    That's true. Anyway, I hope there is something there that will come out, and finally bring him down (though I doubt that will happen, unfortunately).

    It's been maddening as an outsider watching first the US "systems" (both political & legal) and then their greedy & brain dead electorate completely fail to deal with him + constantly rewarding him instead with even more power and money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,385 ✭✭✭✭briany


    His acolytes are probably blinded by their desire for power - to sit on the throne.

    If it is a concerted effort to unseat Trump, the problem is that MAGA falls apart without him. It's a cult of personality and there is no other figure in the movement who is such a perfect chimera of all the attributes which characterise the movement other than Trump. Everyone else is like a facsimile. Without him the thing would dissolve into a parcel of warring factions. A civil war within the party.

    Not that this wouldn't be a good outcome for the rest of America, but it's interesting that all these people who probably think themselves cogent political operators cannot see this obvious strategic error if usurping Trump is indeed the aim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,548 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Do people like Yarvin or Thiel actually care about the MAGA movement? I doubt

    They have their foot in the door via Vance. Trump is nothing to them. They know the 'base' will blindly keep on that pre-determined path rather than take a strep back and consider things.

    Imagine if you had a dog that barked at everyone passing your gate; and retreating once they get looked at sternly? How long would it take for you to realise this dog is useless?

    He's a **** puppet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,189 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    There's very few genuinely good debates any more, like they barely even count few. Everything has been a shouting match for a long time and there's no genuinely bipartisan forum that facilitates the essence of true debating. Maybe the Oxford debates on YouTube still count.

    Most of what we get are propaganda events where there's no genuine assessment of which argument was shown to have more merit. This environment definitely isn't it either.

    I watch a fair few old debates on YouTube and they're light years ahead in terms of the ability of the participants to put forward a logically formed premise.

    What we get now is people looking for a social media clippable bit they can use to advertise themselves or their channel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,363 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


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    You'd miss him all the same. A real man worthy of the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,269 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    For sure, the quality of both interviewing and debate on TV, etc, has plummeted, especially in America, where what passes for interviews these days can often just be two people talking about the same thing and agreeing on everything, al la Tucker Carlson "interviewing" Vladimir Putin. That type of thing is more akin to reinforcement propaganda than an actual interview.

    I've said for ages that the best thing that could happen to media over there is if Jeremy Paxman type sprung up and conducted proper interviews. It isn't going to be happening any time soon though. The problem is that when you do get a few mildly difficult questions thrown at certain types they always shit themselves and then whinge about it later. Fuck sake, MAGA can't even be fact checked without crying like little bitches and complaining about "bias". Then they actively go about banning certain press outlets. There's no hope there.

    As far as debates are concerned, you'll have to elsewhere for good ones. I don't believe they can happen any more in the States. Intelligence Squared debates can often be very interesting. They're up on YouTube. But they can often be rather dry, which tends to turn off some people.

    As far as that surrounded thing with Medhi Hasan, I can see what he's going for. But that type of environment won't breed anything positive really. All you'll get is what you got. A bunch of ignorant 20 something’s endlessly repeating tired talking points that they've been fed by people like Ben Shapiro and not understanding how flawed they are even when they are so easily dismantled before their very eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,311 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Time for Trump to be told put up your evidence of treason and sedition on Truth Social or STFU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,453 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You could literally say he needs to provide evidence for ANY of his claims…and you'd still get silence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    All this is, is classic Trump deflection and distraction. Anything to stop people thinking and talking about the Epstein files. The media needs to wise up to this nonsense and keep beating the Epstein drum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yeah they've been weeks away for over twenty years. I also hear Sadam's wmd's were under a stealth cloak, they had better go back with 40k troops just to be sure.



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