Hamas strike on Israel

You've show your colours on this thread. Not a shred of humanity in you and I have zero interest in anything you have to say. I expect most posters are of the same opinion

Was it Dr Morgan McGonagle by any chance? He did good work out there and nearly died in an airstrike.

https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2025/04/01/irish-surgeon-returns-from-gaza-every-night-there-were-more-children-brought-in-dead/

All of those IRA men who killed are regarded as convicted criminals and murderers in the eyes of the law - there is no ambiguity over this (this presumably is the destiny of the IDF - in future, it will be regarded as a terrorist army which carried out multiple war crimes).

I heard on the radio today that everyone in Israel, the Arab world and Palestine agrees that Hamas is finished, but there is no agreement on who will run Gaza in its stead.

No one seems to have much of an idea on that, especially the Palestinians.

Its important, because we dont want to be here again in 5 years time with some Islamofacist right-wing group taking over the strip and beginning another futile war against Israel.

Jordan took in a lot of Palestinians for humanitarian reasons and this was how they were awarded. Imagine Ireland took in those Palestinians instead and they pulled that stunt here. The free Palestine viewpoint would be a lot different they'd been seen as unionists were.

"Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود, romanized: Aylūl al-ʾAswad), also known as the Jordanian Civil War,[9] was an armed conflict between Jordan, led by King Hussein, and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), led by chairman Yasser Arafat. The main phase of the fighting took place between 16 and 27 September 1970, though certain aspects of the conflict continued until 17 July 1971."

Leftist groups surprise surprise involved.

The PLO's strength grew, and by early 1970, leftist groups within the PLO began calling for the overthrow of Jordan's Hashemite monarchy, leading to violent clashes in June 1970

Fascinating reading this on Wikipedia.

the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seizing three civilian passenger flights and forcing their landing in the Jordanian city of Zarqa, where they took foreign nationals as hostages and blew up the planes in front of international press. Hussein saw this as the last straw and ordered the Jordanian Army to take action.[10]

On 17 September 1970, the Jordanian Army surrounded cities with a significant PLO presence, including Amman and Irbid, and began targeting fedayeen posts that were operating from Palestinian refugee camps.

They then moved to Lebanon and caused untold. You can see why the Egyptians won't entertain them.

Jordan allowed the fedayeen to relocate to Lebanon via Syria, where they later became involved in the Lebanese Civil War. The Palestinian Black September Organization was founded after the conflict to carry out attacks against Jordanian authorities in response to the fedayeen's expulsion; their most notable attack was the assassination of Jordanian prime minister Wasfi Tal in 1971, as he had commanded parts of the military operations against the fedayeen. The following year, the organization shifted its focus to attacking Israeli targets and carried out the Munich massacre against Israeli athletes.

Indeed it is. Certainly not a "Hamas" supporter or one who would lie - so the likes of Danzy have no idea what they are talking about, or are intentionally lying. For what - I have no idea.

It is f"ckin harrowing out there and we don't know the half of it.

The difference being Japan had assurances on how the Americans would act post war and the framework that would allow them to exist.

Also it was also in Americas interest to end the war in this manner as they faces the continued deaths should the fighting be drawn out. The situation in Gaza is in no way comparable.

Why are Hamas still fighting? They are done, finished as a political and military force. 

I agree with the above - but given this, the obvious question here that you should be asking is why are Israel still fighting?

Your point doesn't really stand as it (again conveniently) seeks to absolve Israel of their crimes.

It's cherry picking a select element from one conflict and applying it as if it is the silver bullet in Gaza.

Edit: Also for your comparison to be really applicable, it would be akin to permitting Hamas being given assurances they could remain in place post conflict. I don't think that's the best plan.

It doesn't 'challenge' it; it simply seeks to absolve Israel of their crimes/actions and paint the situation as a one sided problem.

Surrender and then what? Religious fanatics with nothing to lose won't act in a reasonable manner. Similarly, the US saw how ferocious attritional fighting was going throughout the pacific and if forced to repeat the same on Japanese soil would have ended with runaway casualty rates. They sought a quick ending as it was also within their interest. The situation in Gaza is not comparable. You also conveniently forget that the hostages could've been returned in March yet Israel saw fit to break the agreement and allow it to rumble on.

Edit: The use of the 'hivemind' jibe simply shows your willingness for a selective viewpoint.

You are making assumptions about what will happen.

What we do know is that the refusal of Hamas to surrender is giving Israel the excuse to keep on bombing. What makes it worse is that refusal by Hamas may be sufficient to allow Israel to avoid a charge of genocide before the ICJ.

For the interests of their own people, Hamas must surrender. As I said already, that remains true, no matter how you view what the Israelis have or haven't done