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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭vintcerf


    not sure where to post this, just a heads-up

    Post edited by vintcerf on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Radio1 Liveline talking about the total shambles on the roads these days



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    about the general lack of law enforcement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    about parking, cars crashing into cars in car parks, people driving unaccompanied, the general appalling driving standards on roads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Ciaran Cannon asserts

    there remains a deep culturally embedded idea that the people who walk and cycle are somehow subservient to those who drive cars.. This notion is hardwired into all of us from the day we're born.

    “We look at the media. We look at how we hand out high-vis gilets to little junior infants, telling them it is your responsibility to stay safe on the roads, not the adults’ responsibility to ensure that you're not walking and cycling in a hostile environment. Which is what we do"

    Cycle lanes are perceived as optional or secondary infrastructure. A lingering perception runs through the whole of society, all the way into the decisions that are taken by engineering staff or construction companies

    https://www.dublininquirer.com/cyclists-in-clontarf-say-they-seem-again-barely-an-afterthought-in-diversions-for-works/

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublin-bike-shops-years-hard-32098227.amp

    Reliable bikes in phibsboro has been gutted by fire.

    I've heard some speculation about the cause of the fire which sounds unsubstantiated, so won't repeat it, suffice to say it does not suggest malice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭p15574


    Unbelievable. Are they going to ask for the removal of all dashcams from cars now too? All private CCTV that looks onto public streets? Ring doorbells? All the Tesla cameras?

    And this:
    "‘Where An Garda Síochána, or any agency, intends to use a digital image for a prosecution, An Garda Síochána must, in the first instance, be able to prove the veracity of the digital image. Therefore, An Garda Síochána cannot accept unsolicited images."
    How does soliciting it make the veracity better than unsolicited? If it's about the complainant having to go to the station in person to have the image/video downloaded directly from the device, it makes no sense. If you can alter an image you're putting onto USB, you can alter it on the device itself anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭buffalo


    It's not very clear from the article, but in my experience the veracity generally comes from the accompanying witness statement and a willingness to swear in court that the footage is genuine.

    That story is not entirely bonkers though. Things like Ring cameras are only supposed to operate within certain parameters: https://dataprotection.ie/en/dpc-guidance/blogs/domestic-cctv I've never thought of the implications for bike and dashcams, but it's pretty clear if you're storing the data (which is kinda implied, a dashcam isn't much use without it), you're now a data controller.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Is that story several months old?
    I recall he got grief just like this from AGS earlier this year (or before) for publishing the vids on his Twitter account

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    looks like one or two media outlets are only picking up on it now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I took it that its being re-run now on the basis of attempts by media to get clarity from AGS and their response, subsequent to the initial story a while back which was basically just one fella complaining online about the treatment he received from AGS.

    It strikes me as one gobs**te in an AGS acting the d**k, and AGS now trying to fudge the issue.

    At the end of the day, people using cameras on bikes, in cars, on public transport vehicles, at the rear of trucks/ vans etc. etc. is par for the course. If there was a functioning roads policing body in this country you wouldn't have fellas going off on solo runs. He may be a crank, but at the end of the day all most people are asking (especially those without the luxury of protection inside a multi tonne vehicle) is to be able to use the roads safely and for AGS to enforce the law.

    Strikes me as more of the same "sit down and stop making a fuss, sure you'll get your thoughts and prayers" attitude to our roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Unfortunatly some within the AGS are anti cycling pr*cks like a lot of people in this country still are.

    Doesn't help that even the ones who are pro cycling and would like to help are hamstrung with rules regarding the reporting of dangerous passes etc and the use of them in legal cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭buffalo


    The phrasing of the story is not that @righttobikeit was warned, but he shared a letter sent to somebody else.

    A cycling road safety campaigner behind the @righttobikeit account on X has since shared a picture of the letter received by the cyclist after he offered video footage of the alleged road traffic violations to gardaí.

    @righttobikeit has gotten pushback in the past, but I think it was the Gardaí penalising him for behaviour on the road rather than data protection issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    In terms of GDPR and dashcams (and vehicles that use cameras for e.g. safety systems), the EDPB are washing their hands of any EU-wide official line on it: https://www.edpb.europa.eu/system/files/2025-05/edpb_letter_20250505_in_car-video-cameras-and-dashcams_en.pdf and leaving it up to individual member states.

    To be blunt, the sole case related to this ( C‑212/13 ) has an error in framing in its decision, largely because of the specifics of the case it was based on.The case concerned a CCTV recording a public street as well as a drive.

    The key part of the decision is:

    'To the extent that video surveillance such as that at issue in the main proceedings covers, even partially, a public space and is accordingly directed outwards from the private setting of the person processing the data in that manner, it cannot be regarded as an activity which is a purely ‘personal or household’ activity for the purposes of the second indent of Article 3(2) of Directive 95/46.'

    in which the Justices conflate 'personal' with 'household'. The plain reading suggests nothing that occurs outside the private setting of a person can be considered 'personal' from a GDPR perspective, which is clearly an overreach by the Justices - but in the case of a CCTV monitoring the approaches to a private household, it makes sense.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i might be mixing that up with another case; was part of that around the idea that a fixed camera with audio capabilities on the side of a house essentially amounted to surveillance of conversations of the neighbours? that it'd prevent the neighbours from being able to have conversations outside their house without fear of being recorded?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    No, I'm not aware of that case! This was a referral from Czech courts about a video-only CCTV system from which recordings were used to apprehend two suspects in criminal damage of the CCTV-owner's home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,383 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    "Garda, I've just witnessed a murder and I've got the whole thing recorded on my phone"

    "You're just a troublemaker trying to cause hassle, you've probably violated the data privacy of that poor fella, and his victim!"

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Don't ask me to remember the exact context of the situation I mentioned; I just have a vague memory of hearing about that particular complication being an issue. May not have been a legal case at all...



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Same applies to every dashcam - the ones that Gardai routinely put out calls to the public for footage.

    The letter wasn't sent to RTBI. It was sent to a Dublin cyclist by a Garda from Pearse St.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    The article from extra.ie makes no mention of pearse street?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    No, but it mentions the letter was received from someone who wasnt RTBI and that was shared by RTBI

    'A cycling road safety campaigner behind the @righttobikeit account on X has since shared a picture of the letter received by the cyclist after he offered video footage of the alleged road traffic violations to gardaí.'


    It's a little bit laboured, but reading the article as a whole, it's clear that the cyclist is referred to as a separate entity from RTBI.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,423 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Jesus, that's appallingly badly written so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton




  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Clearly none of this is true,

    We're told time and time again that if cyclists had numberplates they'd be held to account.

    Motorists have number plates, tax and insurance so they must never do anything wrong.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What has "number of complaints made" got to do with this case?

    Seems like the judge wanted to wrap things up quickly.

    https://connachttribune.ie/cyclist-posted-social-media-clip-of-drivers-overtaking-manoeuvre/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭khamilton


    What does the line have to do with it when it's about an overtake with oncoming traffic forcing the road user (the cyclist) with right of way to take evasive action?

    As always, District Court judges making it up as they go along.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    They’d make you despair. Half of them used to strike me as barristers who had made enough money not to be bothered working any more but liking the idea of wielding a bit of power and playing out a Lord of the Manor fantasy. The other half, it has to be said, were usually extremely knowledgeable and civic minded people who saw the position as a way to give back to society.

    Unfortunately, almost none of them struck me as the cycling type, which is probably reflected in a lot of the reported cases. I say almost because we have a few very decent barristers in our club, so you never want to tar everyone with the same brush.



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