BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

I never noticed that the N8 was on the M50 for so long. At least it shouldn't take very long to get between J4 and J6, but distance wise it is still a long way to go without a single stop.

I would be curious to see if the N8 is succesful would they consider adding some type of full Orbital M50 route(like an O50). Or maybe more dedicated infrastructure/busways for orbital M50 Routes so buses like the N8 can exit and enter the M50 much quicker.

I'm confused at what this "disappointed in the route chosen" means - does this mean that only one of the F2/F3 is planned to operate at night? I was under the impression that all the spine routes were meant to be 24hr services, aside from variants like the C5/C6 which deviate from the daytime route to serve nearby areas that don't have any other service at night.

Even if some of the F spine southside passes close to the other spines, I would've thought that people on the route would appreciate having a bus serve their street at night rather than having to walk from the D spine or A spine (which aren't even coming out until the following phases).

The N8 exiting the M50 at Charlestown would definitely make sense. It could then either continue the 24 route past the Dublin Airport Logistics Park or the 19/E2 route past IKEA.

Both of those routes wouldn't add that much extra time while providing much better connectivity.

A thought I've had about the 24h F-spine routes. There was some discussion here that the NTA/DB was planning on making the 80 a 24h route. I would personally be quite surprised if they prioritised making a non-spine radial 24h over the incoming F-spine routes.

It wouldn't be bad if they did. A 24h route 80 would supplement the C spine and possibly allow the C5 and C6 to be replaced by late night C3 and C4 services. It also give additional capacity the 15 ahead of the A-spine launching, and the southern parts of the route are closer to the Green Line between Ranelagh and Dundrum. Also realistically the F-spine doesn't need 20 minute late night frequency. But again, I would still be a bit surprised if the 80 is made 24h but not all 3 F-spine routes.

The 71 will be another time

In addition, that Griffith Avenue - Mobhi Road route would be much slower with the traffic lights there.

If they were to make a slight change, it would be better for the 23 to go to the Airport as the 24 will serve similar areas to the 19.

How are the 34, 35, and 36 routed through CC?

I am pretty sure they are two lines shown taking Parnell St and Gardiner St. However I have noticed on the map that there is a radial routed through Pearse St to College St (using the Pearse St Garda Station stop) and unless that is an error, I am not sure of any other route it could be? I pretty sure it's just an error, but if it isn't is it that it only southbound uses Gardiner St but northbound uses O'Connell St? If so I would be very confused as I think it would go against the improvements for buses going onto College St.

My understanding is that BC is fixing the junction by routing all buses from D'Oiler St to CG, From Hawkins St to Townsend St, and from Pearse St to Tara St. Compared to the mess we have now it would completely remove all of the akward routings causing congestions, including routing buses from Pearse St to College St. I always assumed the 19 used the Pearse St-College St because of the last minute extension and it never being planned to go past Parnell Square, however I thought that it was going to be the exception and that the only other routes that would use it would maybe be terminating peak or express routes.

Specifically one the line "The hospice operator says the opposite is true – in reality, those lands are the only lands it owns that could be developed in future."

Google Maps Satellite view shows massive amounts of land at the back of their site, and presumably the small sliver at their entrance which the NTA are after; they don't want to lose as they might try to sell it for private accommodation (again?).

If 48 is to be extended, I think it should take over the 60's terminus of St John Rogerson's Quay, so that 60 can be extended to Dublin Port and replace current 53, now that tie-in with 58 is no longer planned. For 82 it depends on which garage will operate it. I note in last map it showed as terminating in Merrion Square, but these sorts of things seem to be very labile, so not sure either

I believe the plan is for the C1 and C2 to be rerouted over the bridge, and be the primary south quays services. I also don't remember what the final plan for the 60 is but I think it was either going to follow the G-spine to its terminus or use the Tom Clarke Bridge to loop around to the south Quays.

However like LXFlyer says, there could definetly be more services routed across it if the demand is there.

I would also be curious to see if a "quays loop" route has any merit, even if just to relieve some pressure from the Red Line and the various spines using the Quays.

Are there any changes due to the clondalkin phase, some of the routes show as Using the old nangor road to access clondalkin village which coming from northbound fonthill and from cherrywood estate is currently impossible. There is also a massive amount of construction and new roads built in clonburris which has no planned new services.