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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    FYI I'm seeing that the Omeath to Victoria lock section of the Carlingford greenway is now open. Possible to Cycle off road from Carlingford to Portadown.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭kilsmum


    Hans Aus Dtschl thanks for your update about the Eastgate Little Island greenway entrance. I cycled up there last night. I know it's both a bus corridor and a cycle path but l wonder how many people on bikes will use it because it's so far from the train station? The majority of people l see cycling on the footpath are coming from Little Island train station and l agree with you, it's dangerous enough cycling into Little Island on the road from either Glounthaune or Little Island train station. I would definitely use it though.

    Do you mind me asking about the Fernwood/Ballinglanna pathway? Is Fernwood another estate in Glanmire that has access into Ballinglanna on a cycle path?

    Many thanks for all your detailed updates. Very much appreciated.

    Thanks, Kilsmum

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Sorry I missed this, only saw it now.

    This new Eastgate entrance will primarily be used by people coming from the City/Glanmire directions. Once the city-Dunkettle greenway is complete this will likely be more heavily used. Definitely most people cycling and walking to Eastgate will be from the train though, and will in future use the new bridge directly from the station to Eastgate. Both access ways are needed, this is just the first one. I don't have visibility on timelines for the bridge I'm afraid.

    On Fernwood, that's an older existing housing estate to the North of Ballinglanna. My understanding is that there will be full vehicular access between the two (not just bus) and the new BusConnects bus route will have a terminus at SuperValu (Hazelwood) then go to Brooklodge, Marwood, past the current Glanmire terminus (Glyntown road) and continue through Fernwood, Ballinglanna, and down to Glanmire Bridge and Glanmire Village proper. So this will be quite a busy road not just a sustainable transport route. The cycle route unfortunately begins at the join between Fernwood and Ballinglanna so sadly not a full route/corridor, but it does unlock a large section of Riverstown to be able to safely cycle towards Little Island. Anyway, right now the path between both estates is apparently in-use, but only for pedestrians and cyclists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Dublin City Council is pleased to announce that the section of greenway between Bloody Sunday Bridge (Russell Street/Jones’ Road) and Clarke’s Bridge (Summerhill Parade/Ballybough Road) will open to the public at approximately 11:00am on Friday 18th July 2025.

    They may have cut off the underpass here

    only the bit left between croker and Binns bridge now , wonder what the wait time will be on the pedestrian crossing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭Hailtothethief


    I called to one of the public consultations on the Cork Kinsale Greenway preferred route corridor. While overall, a slick presentation, there was some "interesting" route choices. Some steep hills and pushing through farms rather than following the road or the old railway line. How they were crossing the N71 was vague and the future tie ins for the future West Cork Greenway(!) were outlined. The plan is to use the Ballinhassig Tunnel and go over the Viaduct.

    What was more interesting was the behaviour of some locals. I called after work so I was in a pair of trousers and a half decent shirt. I was rudely shouted at by a resident "You! Hey You!! Have you anything to do with this load of rubbish!" while looking at a map. He was going on about "they'll be looking in my bedroom window" and "over my dead body".....

    Then, I heard of a push to organise a local action group in Ballinhassig to object to this and stop it.

    It'll be a while before anything is built I'd say.....

    Oh ya, before anyone say anything, one of the route options was passing my front door.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Royal Canal video now up of the new bit . As you can see they have blocked the Jones Rd and Summerhill cycling towpaths under the bridges forcing cyclists (and of course walkers) up onto the main roads in both cases. No idea how thats an improvement . Presumably they couldnt be bothered to find a proper solution for the HV cabling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    There's no way to provide wide enough pedestrian footpaths/cycle lanes beneath the bridges. It's unfortunate, but unless you're going to narrow the canal to almost nothing then they had to make a compromise with crossing the main roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    There was a perfectly satisfactory cycle track under Jones road bridge - it was a route I regularly cycled. Absolute madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 EVBusFan


    Screenshot_20250719-221334.jpg

    We may have different definitions of perfectly satisfactory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,376 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    It was sketchy and narrow to be fair but I happily chose it over going up and over and dealing with traffic every single time. Bit annoyed to have the choice taken away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    The new ramps are significantly longer and less steep, and far wider than the narrow path under the bridge. And Jones Rd is not a motorway or a primary artery!

    I walked the stretch along Croke Park on Friday and it's fantastic! It felt so narrow, dark and dodgy before, it's completely opened up now. Massive improvement. Roll on the final stretch to Drumcondra!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Yes there was a narrow path under the bridge but no it never inconvenienced me or anyone else I ever met , there are still loads like that for bikes on the Royal Canal , now I have to waste energy going up a ramp and waiting for toucan lights , which typically ( if we assume its like the ones on beside Ossory road ) take an age to work.

    It never felt narrow dark or dodgy. The odd winos would rarely congregate but thats going to be the exact same ramp or no ramp. Absolute madness. Croke Park still looms overhead and thats not going to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    And what happened if you met a cyclist coming the other way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    the odd time it happened ( i think once in 5 or 6 years ) I gave way and walked the bike back the metre or two , we didnt end up in a mexican standoff.

    Same thing happened all the time on my commute on the London canals. this aint rocket science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    I don't think they should have taken away the paths under the bridges but to be fair the odds of meeting other cyclists will go way up as this is now going to be a very viable commuting route due to the upgrades.

    Safety Queens within DCC have clearly won the battle with this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I walked this last night, its asinine in the extreme. you can still cycle under the Summerhill bridge in one direction, you just cant get out as its now metal stairs at the other end.

    Still exact same chance of winos congregating. All in all a downgrade. [ honourable mentions to the water station and bike fixing station down near Amiens st end but they'll be vandalized soon enough ]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    I will agree with you on the layout of areas near the bridges. The unopened section at Drumcondra bridge has a similar area, only accessible from one side. They will be a magnet for anti social behavior, littering and urinating.

    I will disagree with your "assinine in the extreme" comment however! I guess time will tell how successful the works are. With direct access to the North and South Docklands, it's likely to become very busy once fully opened. Just look at the volume of bikes using the C2CC route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭kilsmum


    Thanks very much for your detailed reply Hans. It's great to get all the insider info from you.

    Kilsmum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭pigtown


    https://mypoint.limerick.ie/en/consultation/application-coimisi%C3%BAn-plean%C3%A1la-proposed-limerick-city-greenway-ul-ntp-alongside-eastern-and-western

    Limerick Council have applied for permission to extend the UL greenway east into the National Technology Park. While good news, it's a significant change from the initial plan to extend it right into Annacotty village.

    I can't see any explanation as to why this is. The proposal UL to Castleconnell greenway was supposed to start at the now dropped section so maybe it'll be built as part of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Anyone familiar with the dodder greenway?
    They have now closed the free flow left turn lanes at old bridge road onto butterfield road and from the spawell roundabout road onto the Firhouse road.
    The vehicular traffic, once the schools go back will be an absolute nightmare.
    The design at these junctions is really poor from a vehicle POV.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    The free flow left turn lanes are really poor from a pedestrian and cyclist point of view. Maybe the school traffic won't be as bad if people going to schools feel safe enough to walk and cycle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Its not just school traffic though.

    The tailbacks on the N81, left turn lane will be pretty bad now as there is not enough space on old bridge road to accommodate all the cars that continue straight into the Ballyroan area, and the vehicles that would have used the free flow LTL which has now been closed.

    Fair enough if it was only the free flow LTL at the butterfield/old bridge road junction, but they have also permanently closed the free flow LTL at the firhouse road/ spawell road junction.

    So if you are coming off the M50 and heading towards Ballyroan or Rathfarnham, you will be caught in traffic that would have used the free flow LTL but that traffic is now stuck at lights!

    I predict that this will be an absolute shite show.

    To top all this off they have missed an opportunity to have a continuous QBC along firhouse road for the numerous bus routes that use that route and have instead put a two way cycle lane on one side of the road and a cycle lane on the other side!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭RunDMC


    I think the Grand Canal Greenway from Tullamore west to Shannon Harbour is completed now, but it's not on the map. That stretch seems to end at the Lough Boora link rather than continue on to the Shannon.

    Here's the press release from last October.

    R



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Updated, with thanks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭thosewhoknow


    Not perfect but you can get a rough version using Overpass Turbo: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/29dE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    hi all,

    I am a long long long time lurker. I’ve always had a great interest in infrastructural plans to improve society and more recently my interest has focused more on active travel.

    The improvement in Glanmire on active travel is quite astonishing! From such a car centric suburbs sprawl it is great to see such an improvement and uptake in active travel. I hope cork city council Can replicate glanmire in other places like Douglas. And for the county council carrigaline hopefully gets its transport plan up and running.

    My question is how did the city council get the glanmire community onboard so well? How did they deal with NIMBY people?! And maybe lessons learned could be used for future projects



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    the other thing I wanted to highlight is the bandon to city proposed greenway, my friend lives close to the impacted area and I happened across a Facebook page recently.
    astonishing, I am utterly astounded at the rhetoric that is being communicated. The negativity and moaning, they complain abound being forced or rail roared but the anti greenway faction are in fact forcing and rail roading their message around the local community. Nobody is allowed have an opinion or have a different view.
    to quote some of the what’s app texts I was shown:

    1 greenways cause crime

    2 greenways are used as a mode of transport for criminals

    3 greenways cause pollution

    4 greenways affects wildlife and decreases biodiversity

    5 greenways upset cows and reduces milk yield

    6 the viaduct will be a suicidal hotspot

    They are not proposing to build an artillery range out in the area.

    I just wish there was a fair ans balanced discussion I know it is an emotive subject for farmers and land but the greenway will also bring positives that are not allowed to be spoken of.

    Sorry for the rant! I was just so enraged when i

    Saw the group text and the Facebook Page I needed to vent!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Some people see life as a giant Zero Sum Game with them v the rest of the world. Anything which they don't consider benefits them has to therefore have negative effects for them, otherwise the universe would collapse. If they don't cycle and won't use any sort of cycle facility, the benefits accrued by others have to be offset by proportional disadvantages for them, hence the rage.

    Often these negatives effects are not obvious but they can be found if you are creative enough. These people congregate online on Facebook which, afaics, is just a platform for middle-aged people to moan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    My sympathies. There is nothing so toxic as the comments under any Facebook post about improvements or new infrastructure or proposals for infrastructure improvements of any kind. I don't mean just greenways. You see it no matter what public body or local authority is making the original post.

    They just seem to serve as lightning rods for the disaffected, NIMBYs or just general pub bores. Maybe they serve as useful valves for all these people to get their frustrations out somewhere but it does tend to make you wonder about the general state of suppresed anger that way too many people seem to have in their lives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    The city council did not do anything unusual to uniformly get the people of Glanmire on board at all. These started as county council schemes, then passed to city for implementation. There is significant facebook moaning about "cycle lanes" for instance (actually flood relief works!). Some people made Part 8 and section 38 submissions to keep more traffic passing their own front doors. So it's definitely not a case of "what's different over there".



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