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Senior ministers concerned about effects of Occupied Territories Bill.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Interesting that some posters here put their bank balances above children being murdered. That's a strange set of priorities some of ye have.

    I'm glad to live in a country where even the most conservative and traditionally pro-business pro-establishment mainstream party, Fine Gael, has a moral conscience.

    Folk like you and the nutter you quoted, who I blocked long ago, are the outliers. Your dreams of getting in some kind of far right Trumpist/Faragian government here aren't going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    This is the part I cannot fathom. The most vocal anti immigrant voices are by and large Zionists or at least pro Israel, yet they fail to see that the Israeli policy of deliberate destabilisation in the Middle East is hugely contributing to the migrant crisis.

    I see the nice dig by Huckabee with the "sober up" jibe at Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Because basically, it's just racism/Islamophobia and favouring brute force over human rights. Logic is not of relevance here. The cover story of 'oh, won't someone please think of the economy' is just that.

    Many years ago, Noam Chomsky predicted that the main impact of 9/11 would be to re-inforce the most authoritarian agendas on the planet. Unfortunately while I would disagree with him on a lot, he's mostly been proven right on that prediction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭SnazzyPig




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,253 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Thats because both cohorts (or the same cohort really) are dumb.

    They are the sort of people who would make common purpose with Loyalist drug dealing gangs in the sink estates of the 6 counties, who have been known on many occasions to fly Nazi banners alongside the Star of David and their own British coloured gift shop tat, without a hint of irony.

    So don't try and fathom it. You simply cannot argue with stupid. So don't. Just ignore them as the chaotic irrelevance that they are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Have you donated your whole bank balance to charities like Red Cross?

    People have their own kids to feed, it’s easy to virtue signal when it’s not your own job on the line



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    So the metric of showing your against genocide is emptying your bank account and putting your family in penury, anything less is virtue signalling I guess. Always with the hyperbole, "move to Gaza then", "donate your entire life savings so" "you house the refugees in your home"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    It's a total false dichotomy, what you're trying to set up there. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of the Irish people agree with me and the democratically elected Taoiseach Simon Harris, and disagree with you and Alan Shatter (who was rejected by the electorate last year incidentally, in one of the most conservative constituencies in the country).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    If people start to lose their jobs because of this bill then yes they will take a massive hit to their incomes and have to sit on the dole

    I can understand how far lefties sitting on the dole already and welcoming half the world to move to Ireland would say “so what”

    What’s happening in Palestine is absolutely terrible but nothing here actually in any concrete way shape or fashion helps the Palestinians while causing divisions here and potentially much worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Interestingly high post count for a relatively recent member.

    Are you Irish yourself, 'thatsdaft'?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Not able to participate in civilised debate are we now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    I am, I just prefer not to engage with ranting far right trolls on the interwoogie. So off you pop. Go away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    He has no right to interfere at all. Sounds like a Trumpite. He'd be better trying to sort out the Epstein stuff.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The United States does not get to dictate Irish foreign policy, particularly when they are so mind-numbingly incorrect in their statements.

    The rhetoric from the US was not very dissimilar during their invasion of Iraq towards those who did not support them. Should we have completely inverted our foreign policy position then as well?

    I am ambivalent about the OTB, but it is ultimately a piece of legislation that makes dejure in Ireland a pretty basic point of international law - the settlements are illegal, are recognised by most of the globe as such, and thus their industry should not be supported. Those claiming it is equivalent to a blockade of Israel are equating its legitimate activity with illegal activity, as if the illegal activity is someone core to its identity.

    The US lawmakers are wrong about both the intent and the effect of the OTB. To cave to them on that basis is nothing short of advocating cowardice and subservience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Neither do I have time for left wing lunacy, ping me once you have a photo of a receipt for a pack of taytos from your local and I’ll do same

    that’s actually a very good point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Techies who are only driven by money and greed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Says the lad who accused people of being 'lefties on the dole queue'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭thatsdaft



    Empathy is exactly what all the Muslim arab countries surrounding Palestine lack

    Here is Egypt using from gas from outside Gaza while blockading them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Is that what it's about? Techies who are mainly useless at their jobs, this website is a disgrace. You'd think one of them would get their fingers out and fix it, they seem to have plenty of free time on their hands ranting about how if this moderate bill is passed, the economy will collapse and we'll all be on the dole, and then the sky will fall in, and raving Marxist-Leninist communists like Simon Harris and Michael Martin might seize power.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Raving Marxist Leninist, no doubt a hidden anti-semite also, Sir Desmond Swayne, asks a question:

    https://x.com/DesmondSwayne/status/1939664063593611638?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    how does this occupied territories bill help the people of Ireland ? The same people who the elected politicians are hired to work for.. They would be better served earning their huge salaries by looking after matters at home.. If so many people want this bill brought in then put it to the people and hold a referendum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,954 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Oh, please. Try to keep the discussion at least vaguely grounded in reality. Europe only recently got a taste of terrorism? You can't post that on an Irish discussion board and not expect derision.

    The Palestinians voted for Hamas? Really? The last general election in the Palestinian territories was in 2006 and, although Hamas won 44% of the vote, they did not win a majority. They did, however, win a majority of votes in the Gaza Strip and on that basis they seized power in the Gaza Strip and have held it ever since. There have been no further elections in the Gaza Strip; Hamas is not keen on elections. (There have been local elections in the West Bank, but Hamas does not participate.)

    Fewer than 30% of the people now living in the Gaza Strip had a vote in 2006 — they were either not born then, or not of voting age — and only slightly more than about half of that 30% would have voted for Hamas. They notion that the people of Gaza are somehow collectively responsible for the actions of Hamas is not a compelling one.

    And I still don't see what any of this has to do with the suggestion that terrrorism is a phenomenon of immigration. Whatever else the people of Palestine are, they are not immigrants in the occupied territories; the immigrants there would be the Israeli settlers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Everything should be balanced I think. The OTB will have no effect on the situation in Gaza, not least because all of the settlements are in the West Bank.

    I think it would be better if our government were to push for peace talks, even provide some rooms in government buildings to have said talks. We should be looking at bringing both sides closer to us, not constantly pushing one side away.

    The government would even be able to keep their distraction news flowing at the same rate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I doubt the lefties realise the fire they are playing with here. Their clamor to be the most Pro-Palestinian in class plays with forces they barely recognise. It will do nothing bar reaffirm the anti-Semite tagged we've been wrongly labelled with. It wont save a single Palestinian life yet it will jeopardise the prosperity of future generations of Irish workers. This may be the single most stupid thing I've ever witnessed an Irish government threaten to do. Build a 10ft radiator & loose this bill down the back of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Very scary, doom laden post there Red. It's nearly like your saying some shadowy group of people control all the media, finance and governments in the world and that this small group might use that influence to do harm to Ireland should we stand up for international law.

    I sincerely hope your not insinuating any old tropes about Jews running the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    The recent terror attacks are vastly Islamic. I’m not discussing regional conflicts from our past that were settled. The current terror attacks are all imported, even if settled for a generation or two and are designed to have a maximum body count.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,954 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    So? What's your point, exactly? What relevance to you think this has to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, or to the Israeli action in Gaza?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I think he has a point.....all terrorist attacks were Islamic (if you hand wave away the ones that weren't).

    It wasn't terrorism when it wasn't them, it was just regional conflict....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It goes a long way to explain their current actions. When your government calls for the destruction of your neighbour then launches a cross border attack to a vastly superior army targeting civilians, raping, kidnapping and murdering then don’t be surprised that the gloves come off. During the troubles here the IRA never wanted to wipe all Protestants out of Ireland and England.



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