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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    I was a good boy yesterday and used public transport from Dublin Airport to Waterford. Plane landed at 1515, got home at 2045.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭gw80


    That must work both ways so,

    I assume Dublin FDI are advertising Waterford as a location when any big MNCs are looking to build.

    Are they ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    So when will Waterford have motorway connections to Cork and Shannon airports?

    With Dublin airport realistically being 2 hours from Waterford by car and impractical by public transport unless you have a day to spare, Waterford needs better connectivity, both air and road, if it is to thrive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Bards


    Kerry is within 2 hours of cork, cork and Shannon are within 2 hours of each other, dublin is within 2 hours of Belfast etc etc

    Frankfurt Hahn is within 90 minutes of Frankfurt International yet Ryanair continue to use Hahn..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    A paper never refused ink.

    Mick O'Leary is invited along to talk on these shows as they can be guaranteed a suitable comment.

    Ryanair are quite adept at keeping competition out of what they perceive as their back yard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,400 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and rail, we really need to modernise our rail, or we re fcuked!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,965 ✭✭✭914


    I traveled (by car) last Tuesday for a 9.15am flight.

    It took me 2 hours 18 minutes to get to the red carpark. Another 20 mins to get from the carpark and have check in a bag (self service), I needed to check in a bag due to what I had to bring with me.

    Security was slow also, I left here at 4.45am and had little to no time to spare before departure.

    This waffle of 2 hours is nonsense unless it is silly o clock. I was back yesterday at 3am (see the difference), from the time I left the plane it took me over 40 minutes to get back to the car park, the spin home only took 1 hr 50 min as there were zero traffic.

    Even at that plane to door at Waterford in the past was 20-25 minutes for me, now at 3am it was 2 hrs 30 mins, I know which option I would prefer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    And it would be even longer if the schools were not off. Thr traffic is much lighter at the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,965 ✭✭✭914


    Yep traffic on the day I departed was light enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭dan575283578


    I think they seriously need to seek the money from elsewhere at this point as I cannot ever see the government committing to this, they do not like the idea of the south east having an airport obviously and they'll just indefinitely kick the can like they did again this month



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Who wrote the business case / not a business case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    You haveto realise that in saying what you are saying that you are accepting the official slant on matters. They are not honest brokers looking to make an independent decision. They are actually trying to stymie the project. We should not be so naïve as to accept their slant on matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,965 ✭✭✭914


    I agree prior to the election Butler and Cummins were basically saying everything was done that needed to be done and how both their parties will deliver this, now we have both putting a positive spin on what needs to be done.

    This latest saga has been going on since 2019 and it's only know that the government can clarify a path way on what's needed.

    As I previously said if they don't want to deliver/support it just say it as it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    What I'm saying is a company has been paid good money to provide a business case for government funding. I assume it wasn't their first rodeo and now the government is saying the document, that they have been paid to produce, is not actually fit for purpose

    Either Waterford airport are due a refund or the company in question need to call out the government.

    I wonder what they have to say in all of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭julyjane


    Re: Dublin airport travel times it only takes one idiot to do something silly and the whole m50 is blocked up for hours. For that reason if we ever have to fly from Dublin we leave hours earlier than we need to so that we have time for delays and end up hanging around the airport (it happened once and we barely made it for our planned time but then our Ryanair flight was delayed and we still ended up hanging around)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Typcially if an advisory company is hired to write up the business case then it’s still all based on data, projections and arguments put forward by management. The consultancy company is there to put a gloss on it, to ensure that the numbers actually stack up and - most importantly - to lend “third-party” credibility to it.
    Ultimately, if there’s a flaw in the business case, then it’s a flaw in the data, projections or arguments provided by the airport management.

    I can’t understand why so many on here are so quick to give the management team a free pass on everything. The repeated delays with the business case, and the long delays in answering questions from Dept of Transport during the last government should tell plenty about how well, or otherwise, the management team have presented their case.

    There certainly appears to be significant resistance from the Dept of Transport - but all the evidence suggests that the airport management haven’t exactly showered themselves in glory here either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭dan575283578


    I wasn't following the whole airport thing in 2019 so sorry for my ignorance here, but wasn't the extension about to go ahead in 2019??

    Also Deiseen - it says in this article that Grant Thornton did the business case apparently:

    https://www.waterford-news.ie/news/exclusive-im-going-to-pursue-this-to-the-very-end-airport-chief-speaks-out_arid-37891.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,093 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They don't call it Frankfurt-Hahn any more and it's 120km away from the city.

    Like a lot of airports on the continent Ryanair use, Hahn was a former USAF base and wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the Cold War.

    Easy to operate a low-cost airport when the Americans left you a runway, apron and tower for free…

    If we'd joined NATO in the 50s, Waterford would have an international airport right now.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,400 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    our lack of nato involvement is gonna be questioned soon enough, we could be heading to the ballot boxes over it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,965 ✭✭✭914


    It was due to be built back as far as 2008! It was included in the transport21 programme and €27 million was committed by government at the time (no private investment).

    2019 the airport looked for €5 million which really seems a bargain now, now they are looking for €12 million and here we still are still talking about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭dan575283578


    Why was it 27 million in 2008 but only 12 million(in total) in 2019?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I'm a bit confused. If Cork is as close to Waterford as Dublin is, why don't people here use Cork instead? Cork Airport is a breeze to get through, and has any and all routes Waterford would ever have. Unless you're travelling to Dublin for something Cork doesn't have, in which case you'd still be travelling there even with a Waterford Airport as if Cork doesn't have it Waterford won't



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,400 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    far better direct public transport options to dublin, less hassle via car to, and of course, far more flight options from dublin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I get the first argument, but not the far more options one. 99% of the options out of Dublin will never be available out of a Waterford Airport, and so there will always be commuting to Dublin. There are people leaving in their hundreds of thousands from Cork every year to Dublin, even with a large amount of flights out of Cork

    I only ask as Cork doesn't have an M50 bottleneck like Dublin, and the airport is in the right area of Cork for people commuting from Waterford VS Dublin Airport being north of the city



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,400 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, i still also believe theres simply no viable business options to reopen waterford at all, but then again, i could be wrong.

    i still find dublin far easier to get to than cork, for both public and private transport, and some destinations will never be available other than dublin, as has been the case for the last couple of flights ive done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    The Waterford to Cork road has its own traffic problems and probably worse to be honest. At least the trip up to Dublin is generally not bad outside of an accident but there's so many bottlenecks on the Cork road that its actually worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Fair enough. I've only made the journey once myself, and I thought it was fine. But I can imagine in rush hour it probably isn't great!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Rush hour, breakdowns, accidents and road works. It can be a minefield.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,965 ✭✭✭914


    It was to cover everything, runway, new runway lights, purchase of land, taxiways, apron, new terminal extended car parks etc.

    Since then, the airport has completed apron works, installed new lighting (with the wiring placed out the width of a widened runway), and purchased the land required.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Too many pinch points both to Cork and Dublin Airports. Both situated on the 'wrong sides' for access from the SE. Naas Road, Red Cow, M50, Castlemartyr, Killegh, Jack Lynch Tunnel, Mahon Point - all can be log jammed at the wrong times of day - or put out completely at any time of day by accidents. Outbound journeys require excessive padding - or else you're abandoning your trip. Ironically, an airport in the SE allows us to fly out of this infrastructure hellscape to more interesting places.

    Has the Department of Transport conducted any analysis of journey times to airports make sure an island country is properly connected? This question is rhetorical. I don't think they have. In fact, I'm not sure exactly what they do. Co-ordinate the other quangos? They're so many quangos they probably have managers managing managers managing managers.

    What's interesting is Butler is now blaming the Department of Transport. OK, Mary let's go with that - let's say the Department lifers are blocking it. A civil service blocking the progress of a project in the Programme for Government. Who's running the show? Not very democratic is it? Or are they just the latest group to be set up as patsies to cover a political failure?



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