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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Every single thread on feedback descends into criticism and moaning.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Who’s going to take on all the debt for a site that won’t ever garner a profit anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,110 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.

    Help Keep Boards.ie Alive sign up here

    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/ Keep Boards Subscribed To.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭JamesBond2010


    See just proved my Point here cant have an opinion & your called out over it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Then don't pay. No is making you.

    People who are paying are doing so because they don't want boards to shut.

    The mods have enforced a light touch moderation system across boards now, so unless you are planning on being abusive, posting things which may cause legal trouble for boards or are hellbent on discussing cases awaiting courts then you won't be banned.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The problem is that while modding might have calmed down a but I haven't really tested the waters because here's the thing, due to the extreme modding and being a target of certain Mods I haven't actively engaged in many discussions but would PM people because I didn't want to go to the effort or replying to a post only to have it deleted with a mod warning " you've been warned" nonsense. So I don't know if this has been relaxed to the point where this won't happen, just because someone doesn't like what someone else has to say doesn't mean they should be shut down but that's typical of the Left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,110 ✭✭✭✭con747


    There are dedicated threads to have as many opinions as members like though, this one is about ways to raise money and save the site. There's a thread on feedback about the way the site is ran and such matters so why does it always get dragged into every other thread to disrupt it. Enough said by me on this.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.

    Help Keep Boards.ie Alive sign up here

    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/ Keep Boards Subscribed To.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,570 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Childish terms like Chelski have been banned since the year dot.

    If you are incapable of typing Chelsea because you really feel the need to type chelski - the Soccer Forum might not be for you.

    It really shouldn't be that hard and posters who post in the Soccer Forum don't seem to have an issue with it in fairness - several Feedback threads seem to back that up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭JamesBond2010


    This was about the feedback for introduction of subscription on this thread, this what this thread was about unless it changed. Or less its not loading right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Big Bag of Chips has some of the best posts I've ever read in personal issues forum.

    Delighted they are here as a mod and a poster.

    Post edited by OscarMIlde on
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,667 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    I was actually asked if I would consider being a moderator for a forum on Boards that I was particularly active in. Much as I was flattered by the request, I had to decline the offer for a number of reasons. Some were to do with life in general, but one was to do the expectation of having to deal with bickering and abuse from a minority (that needs to be emphasised) of posters in one of the larger discussion websites and then it being turned towards me. Life is too short for that kind of stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭antimatterx




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    Seriously? This thread is partly to encourage users to subscribe, and to encourage you have to listen to those who have grievances, it’s directly related.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Assuming the debt represents repayment of an investment, as opposed to monies owing to the revenue for example, and that the investor is also the owner, and that the commercial value of the site is less than the outstanding debt, I would imaging part or all of that debt would have to be written of by the investor in order to facilitate a sale.

    That said, for the records filed with the CRO, the debt has reduced in recent years which to me suggests the site could become commercially viable if it wasn't for the recent loss of advertising due to Google changes. Getting subscriptions represents one new revenue stream, but my feeling is that other are likely to be needed. Not an easy ask, but par for the course for running a small sustainable business in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭archfi


    Maybe an idea for new signups.

    On signup page, short blurbs explaining the dire situation/extolling the value of the info on site/Irish resource etc and giving an option for new signups to sub for one month to enable them to post across the site straightaway instead of having to post 50 or 100 posts before they have post access to certain forums? Might get a few quid from re-regs (and then nuke em) and you never know some signups might…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Absolutely and the question now is, will the subscribers be telling us what we can and can't do due to a sense of entitlement ? it could make it worse than it was but suppose if they have no ban capability who cares ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Thanks @Boards.ie: Mike and @Boards.ie: Odhran for coming forward with this. Honestly, I am surprised it hasn't happened sooner. As a very long time use of 20+ years on boards.ie (original account abandoned due to a dangerous stalker), I hope my contribution here is both read and considered, because it echoes mush of what other have said already.

    The Negatives on Boards

    From a technical point.

    • The search function is horse shít. This makes the site harder to use and results in duplicate threads, sometimes from only days previous.
    • The mobile version is almost unusable, as the page is constantly jumping up and down. This was worse when ads were listed.

    From a management point.

    • Moderation needs to be fair. It could not be clearer that some mods have a hard-on for warning and banning people who don't share certain views. As a general example, It's OK to call Christians delusional and that they believe in fairies in the sky, but you write any negative views about Muslims and see how fast you get banned, regardless of how you articulate your point. There are plenty of fair mods, but there are also plenty who we all know have dragged the site into the mud and some of those act in bad faith. Active users leave and the content bias keeps shifting one way. Go against the grain and you're a Nazi/far right loon/bigot/insert slur here. You need only look at the reviews to see what I am talking about.

    The Positives on Boards

    • The sense of community has seriously diminished after loads of people left for the reasons above. However, there is still a small community on each category, sometimes spread amongst connected categories, like EV and Renewables and this is worth saving.
    • Boards is still a great place to get and share ideas, because most members are very helpful, sometimes even when they haven't a clue what they're talking about 😂
    • As others have said, the bargains thread is a good one and I have come across one or two over the years worth using.

    I suggest subscribers aren't marked and mods shouldn't know who is paid up, as it could possibly create some bias in treatment. I really hope to see the community grow and healthy, robust, respectful debate be allowed going forward.

    I also echo that the HELP BOARDS SURVIVE type of message needs to be in every forum as a banner.

    I'm happy to sub to help keep things going. It's the RIGHT thing to do 😉

    I'm just waiting for my main email address to be unlinked from my abandoned account before subbing. Email sent to boards.

    Thanks and best of luck.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,102 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    While Id agree that stuff like Chelski, Man Ure, Liverpoo etc are clearly made to rile, there were 2 United fans "carded" in teh last week for referring to Rashford (a United player) as a "goof" while discussing him in the United superthread. To me at least, this is way beyond the pale in terms of what is sanction worthy and is a massive over reaction. If i said a player was shyte I wouldnt get in trouble for it but if i called him a goof i would, that makes zero sense. Obviously this isnt the thread for it but felt it needed to be said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,467 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Why would they? People are subscribing to give back and try to keep the site alive.

    I think this "class warfare" concern is yours alone TBH



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    While I occasionally dip into CA for the odd topic of interest, this thread and the feedback threads just seem completely alien to me since the vast majority of my time here is spent in friendly, laid-back and constructive forums. Yes, there are frustrations and the occasional troublemaker - it’s the internet, after all. And yes it’s undoubtedly quieter than it once was. But man so much of this website is an entirely different experience to what happens in and around CA, and that should never be forgotten.

    Anyway…. back on topic, I would really like to see what the vanilla version of Vanilla looks like before considering subscribing - are there any screenshots that we can see of what it looks like? Given how long it took to get the place back to something that looked and felt like boards after the initial switchover (and how glitchy and limiting it has been since), I’m always just going to be skeptical about big changes to the platform.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    But they have promised change, lol , it got so bad that even now I often reply to posts via a PM to a poster for fear of having comments deleted or banned for being previously warned nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Or rather, if there's any profit there if the site goes tits up who'll benefit ? won't be us that's for sure, I mean surely if there's a profit they should stop seeking subs at least temporarily ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I have the same quandary. I also see the "value" implicit in boards.ie carrying on as an irish-centric site but TBH? I found the tone of Odhran's post re the mods yesterday to be cowardly, blame shifting and hypocritical. It did give free rein to the entire blame the mods crowd though, not that they needed it.

    The switch to Vanilla, skinned or otherwise deprived the mods of a suite of effective mod tools. The impact of partisan polarisation ramping up during COVID, led to some folk taking the stance that "free speech" means without consequence. A couple of corners suffered because of that primarily CA, but also the religion and conspiracy theory forums (weird they might end up being hit by the same issues isn't it 🤷‍♂️).

    What has been very plainly borne out in this thread? Is that boards.ie has no future as a business. If it cannot cover costs without subscriptions? It is not a business that can survive, especially not when it's actual product, the USP itself, is the input of the posters & subscribers.

    The site has absolutely no viable future as a business. The owners are perfectly entitled to have a view at odds with that, however? Multiple investors and potential buyers have looked, reviewed the data and said no. So do we as users now decide to prop up the unviable business, provide the cash to cover not just running costs, but wages and debt servicing too?

    Out of a sense of nostalgia for something that is already gone? Or do we archive the bits we might want to peruse or use again and build ourselves new communities, on different platforms?

    Yes BA has been great, but so is hotdealsuk and that's free. The more I think about the current situation? The more it becomes apparent my grá for boards is for "old" boards, which is an entity, a community and indeed a vibe that has fúck all to do with the current owner operators.

    My goodwill has an expiry date I suppose and the continued enshittification of the site, combined with the abandonment of any accountability by the owner, has brought me close to the end of my best before date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    One thing really bugging me is that I am getting loads of emails of updates to threads and I have turned off all thread update notifications via email.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Thanks, good to know.

    It really shouldn't be that hard though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 340 ✭✭louis346789


    As a long time literally every day lurker with only a few posts I for sure will be paying the 50 euro subscription.

    In general I visit the specialist forums like DIY, motors etc. Just one comment on the paid up members.

    I for sure would give more credence to posts and replies made by paid up members. I see them as having the best interests of Boards.ie at heart and as now having skin in the game.

    Let's all get behind this effort to keep Boards.ie alive and here is to the next five years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    I've paid for the very same reasons, however I wouldn't like to think my posts are better than others. In fact I'd be quite happy for it to be less conspicuous.

    Nate



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Twitter was irrevocably ruined when they started boosting paid users’ posts - impossible to read threads on there now. It’s ‘pay to win’, and totally the opposite of what an open discussion forum should be doing.

    Edit: sorry, I misread your post - trusting the posts more is very different to actually boosting them via the interface, which is what I mistakingly read at first - apologies :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 340 ✭✭louis346789


    Yes for sure not the twitter model!!! . And just for clarity. This credence was at first purely subconscious. It just stands out to see the paid tag under the poster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    So there's going to be a case of the have and the have nots, the subs and those who haven't. The clique as expected.



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