Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Will the underpass have an effect on slots in future if it is removing a number of gates? I hope those tunnels to the gates further from the pier have some sort of natural lighting in them.

The real reason like with everything with Ryanair is cost. They don't care about the tunnel per se but they know this large capital expenditure will allow the DAA to increase taxes on every ticket sold going into the future. Ultimately that goes against their own business model and could erode profit margins.

Selfish reasons basically.

FR spent a huge amount of time and energy, including legal challenges, arguing that T2 was completely unnccessary for DUB and it would never get used.

They're just serial objectors to any development of the airport because paying for the developments might add tiny amounts of additional passenger tax.

Even though the vast vast majority of passengers would happily pay an extra 1euro in airport tax (its nothing in the grand scheme of flight / total trip prices, but would make a big differenec to DUB operations) for a better airport experience if asked.

No. Ryanair argued against T2, and sued, on the basis it was unneeded, it wouldn't be used, and that it was too expensive. All of which very quickly turned out to be completely incorrect.

Ryanair only subsequently, after those complaints failed, tried an EU legal case where they argued EI were given unfair advantages with T2. But Ryanair lost that, too.

Is waiting-time for stands (at both T1 and T2) still as much of an issue as it was a couple of years ago? Especially with the addition of remote stands, there is more towing off-stand now for aircraft that are not on an immediate turnaround and carriers like JetBlue can use remote stands if a contact stand is not available. Considering the volume of departures now (including circa forty T/A per day), there seems to be relatively little waiting for gates, but then I am not monitoring the situation on a very regular basis. I agree, though, that the addition of stands for T2 is needed, as is a better taxiway arrangement that enables aircraft to pass each other on the southern taxi-route past the end of T2. (That may be what current works are due to address?)

They launched multiple high profile PR campaigns, and expensive legal cases, to try to prevent construction of T2 when it had eventually (after the lengthy Irish planning process) gotten the go ahead of the government. Ryanair were very obviously against it by any actual real world evidence, the alternatives they offered up weren't remotely realistic.

If Ryanair had won then the recession would have hit and we'd have had no T2 until the late 2010s, if we even got it built before covid, and DUB would have been an absolute overcapacity mess for a decade. The country is lucky they lost.

Which regional airport do you want money incinerated on (permanently, in subsidies for airlines) so you can get a shorter drive for your one flight a year?

His point regarding regional airports is moot, however his general point is no one seems to realise that there has to be a limit somewhere down the line.

Yes the cap is stupid now, maybe we can handle 60million and throw in an extra terminal however at some point expansion has to stop.

There is finite money, a finite amount of people, finite land etc. Yes it should expand now and there isn't a land issue now however 20 years down the line - lets say all readily available land is in use and we are at 70 million passengers with current airport infrastructure at capacity.

Do we start CPOing peoples houses in order to expand if demand was there and there was no way to facilitate the excess demand without needing more land?

There has to be limit somewhere down the line, the limit now may be too small but there is a limit.

Some people refuse to see this.

you would know why that would matter if you were one of the many thousands of people across dublin from malahide to meath within earshot of the flightpaths and/or airport.

planes dont come as isolated moments of sound, like a door banging or keys dropping. they come more like a wave pattern with a gradual build, peak, and decline before the next build, peak, decline, etc.

so theres no break for silence for quite some time.

if you add flights then the duration of the process must increase. so depending on where you are and the circumstances of the given morning you may not get a break for a long while.

now someone loop it back to 'well they shouldnt have bought near the airport'…

really though i dont understand the passion* for one airport to grow to an oversized level. 33 million and a bearable level of noise seems like a good scenario. but no, must get to 50, 60 … no 100 million.

*outside of it putting money directly in ones pocket.

L1011, I wouldn’t hold my breath expecting this know-all to answer your question . I asked him/her 2 questions a while ago but he/she seems to not want to answer.

Also didn’t he/she say they will stop contributing to this thread, a great thread he/she are belittling.

What Law to protect us are you referring to? The proposal to expand the airport does not contravene any laws.

That is a slippery slope fallacy. COPing houses to build a 200M airport would be too far. But that absurd extreme is not a reason to not expand to 40m or some other reasonable number now.

however 20 years down the line - lets say all readily available land is in use and we are at 70 million passengers with current airport infrastructure at capacity.

That's really not a difficult problem to solved. Has literally played out in many cities already.
If Dublin were to max land and runway capacity, and there as still further demand in the east. Then be a case for a new airport somewhere. But that's not relevant to this discussion.

to be fair, it's a discussion thread. People are allowed to discuss dissenting viewing. And that makes for far better discussion than an echo chamber.

I've disagreed with many on thread about the current cap and development history. Though I back with up with evidence and references. Issue at the moment is a post citing alternate realities with no evidence.