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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭billyhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    No U20 Leinster title won the last five years will make the task of rebuilding under the new manager a harder task.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    Whoever takes over should spend a lot of time practising 2 pointers in training, I think that's what cost us this season, in league and championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭dunnerc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭corny


    Aren't we saying the same thing? How do you not be overly reliant on the older lads… you don't pick them no?

    Ciaran Kilkenny is one of the mightiest men ever to play for Dublin but I watch him insist on taking ownership of every placed ball. I watch a lot of the younger players defer to him instead of backing themselves. When they get it they either look for Ciaran or they look to transition it away to one of the other trusted few. That's not healthy even if Kilkenny was at the peak of his powers.

    It's a team game and the manager needs to get the best out of the team. The younger players don't need experience. They need confidence and they need a trust placed in them. None of them are thriving. Why is that. They all have talent to anyone watching closely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    We are saying the same thing really but sone of the older players need to take more of a backseat as you described.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The problem with Kilkenny is that he is of the old game, the game of control and chess, not the game of chaos and pace that the new rules have brought in. Bugler, if his groin problems get sorted, is the fulcrum for the future.

    Costello is done, Paddy Small can only kick off one foot. If Kilkenny has a spot, it is as a corner-forward, with Con at full-forward. Breathnach/O'Leary who scored two good points today, can hold down the other corner-forward. Two half-forwards who can kick two-pointers are also needed. At half-back, we need that too.



  • Subscribers Posts: 16,881 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    tough one to take today’s, losing out to conditions, farcical referring and poor finishing and decisions, why on earth is Stephen coming up to try and kick a 1/5 2 pointer rather than just putting it into play and work a point opportunity. That was the turning point for me, along with Costello goal miss, the poor pass for the other goal chance, buglers effort hitting the post, the two very well stuck 2 pint efforts falling just wide in second half. I see reports than Tyrone improved in second half, but they didn’t until they got a few decisions and a bit of momentum. We just handed it to them on scoring, having out fought them across the pitch for most of the game. We did the hard bit but couldn’t do the easy bit, which was a bit of the story of the season. We do look a better side ending year than we did starting it. O’C-B in midfield was a real revelation in later half of the season, solid across a good few areas, need work on confidence and mental approach. Above anything up front. Glaring hole is at keeper under the new rules, need to really bring on what we have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I would play Kilkenny at centre back. Perfect role for him time on the ball. Sees more pitch. He has all the attributes to play there.
    But in my view all Kilkenny’’s forwards instincts have been “trained out” of him. Sort of sad when you think what he was like at minor. Aggressive forwards thinking front foot. Now he will be forever a “link man”instead.

    Might as well make him into Cian O’Sullivan 2.0.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    The next manager might persuade Fenton and Mannion to return to the fold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Id see Mannion back quicker then Fenton but hopefully I'm wrong and we see both in blue again! Fenton would of been amazing for the two pointers if he was allowed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    That and/or needs trials with the clubs. Intermediate even. And personally I think they need aggressive confident attitude.

    Annoyingly I don’t think the problems with the team are not that bad. Full Back line and Half back line are grand. That is a good platform to work off.
    Goalkeeper, A midfielder and three forwards needed. The problem is they need to be high energy and “old school”. High energy and aggressive. Not players whose first thought is sideways or backwards. Important to get a keeper and stick with him. No chopping and changing.

    Aggression is really lacking in this Dublin team. Need to find a Hedgo equivalent for the footballers (like the hurlers have upfront). Dessie’s answer (during the league) seemed to be EOD. So he obviously knew Dublin were not physicall enough to be that desperate

    This might be a five year fix. Until club players are taught to go back to basics, and don’t do as much slow handpassing, sideways, backwards stuff.

    Watching Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan (first half) effortlessly kick over 2 pointers with plenty of distance to spare in a lot of cases.Made it look like they were playing a different sport to Dublin.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    The 2 pointers thing I issue understand , that’s not an easy quick fix in one season. The irony for me is that I think if we actually ignore even trying for 2 pointers and continued with taking the points we might have been ok in some games. We never looked comfortable going for 2 pointers and there were moments in some games when one pointers were on, the team nearly seemed sort of stuck thinking they should maybe try for 2 pointer.

    But the issues with kickouts I find harder to understand. Why haven’t we managed to come up with some sort of better way to handle it. Everybody had the same time to try and adapt to the rules. This seems like more a tactical failing then a player issue.

    And then there’s the free taking situation, is there not one decent free taker in Dublin ?

    My concern regarding the squad is that , whether it be due to tactics (old percentages etc) or player quality, there have been some really poor mistakes and decisions made at different times of games that’s been consistent throughout the season. Maybe pressure of expectations or trying to force play they aren’t comfortable with, it’s a concern.

    New manager might be able to address it but yesterday had that 00s feel I was worried was coming. Not a quick fix as you say and things could always get worse but such is the ups/downs of football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The problem with Fenton is he always planned to ten years intercounty and step back to Raheny only. Very hard to change that mindset.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Of all the games played this year. I can only think of one where Dublin got it right tactically. In Salthill dominated kick outs. Tactic was over load one side of the pitch and aim for Kilkenny. Galway never copped on to it/or did anything about it. Conroy was non existent for Galway. Galway gave Dublin loads of space though.

    There was even a throwback of Cluxton finding his man and then it set up the late score.

    The rest of the matches were all over the place in my mind. No sort of plan at all, that worked well.

    I would agree with you about the 1 pointers. Should have scrapped going for two pointers sooner as were so bad at them. Those 2 point misses seem to take the air out of the team. Time and again. Costello seems more of a threat for goals (thought he would nail that yesterday normally calm one on one). Should have set it up to work him in for goals more.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    At a guess I would say Dublin have the most wide count in the championship? One pointers, two pointers the whole lot. Have looked like Mayo at times. Stupid stuff.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    He recently mentioned health issues not needed to be sorted as well I can't see him coming back he's happy with having the time to try other things.

    Never say never in the GAA though! Ha



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    😂😂😂😂😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    Yeh, the Armagh game sticks out badly.

    I think you mentioned it already but there is a lack of intensity in this team. Tyrone were let away with a lot yesterday by ref, but their intensity and hunger was undeniable.

    Even Dublin transitioning from defence to attack is generally so slow and there’s seldom players finding good open space (or running into it) for a quick pass. I found the same thing during our kickouts, really was badly evident how Tyrone keeper always had an option due to the movement and you could see Cluxton generally had little to choose from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭MFPM


    If Fenton and or Mannion come back, great but Dublin have to move on - can't build for the future looking back. They'll probably lose a couple more of their slawarths this year. Hopefully the new manager, with a new focus on the new rules bring new energy going forward. Dublin are not in the top 3-4 teams at the moment but not a million miles away either, there's not a huge gap between all the teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭GHendrix


    I think we have at least a few players capable of kicking the two pointers. It seems to be a tactical decision not to really try for them at all.

    But with these new rules, it’s clearly something you need to be able to do. And we need to try defend them better as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭corny


    Make one of the younger lads captain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Basically this Dublin team are “too nice”. Under these new rules you need dogs.
    P’O’CB ok he is winning more ball than he was. But he is a timid sort of fella. Even though he is a big lump.

    Much as I hate to say it Meath seem to have that sussed. Big aggressive players. I will actually be at both games today. But “undercover” no Dublin colours (too embarrassing to wear them) 😳

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's one of the ironic things to happen to GAA in years but the new rules, brought in to combat the ultra defensive Northern football style, has actually brought them more success. Dublin and Kerry spe t years shaping their entire attacking structure on playing the blanket defence with movement on the inside forward line to create space. The 2 pointer (which really needs to go) has made this completely redundant and actually rewards the less attacking teams now.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    I would have gone in as there’s good potential to both games but decided to listen to the games in my allotment while doing sudoku while my dog weirds out over the hens wandering around.

    I was really frustrated with how we lost yesterday as the game was there for the taking. But I’ve been at most our games and the writing was on wall. I don’t want to say there’s kind of a part of me that’s relieved but I didn’t think we were gonna get beyond semis so maybe there is a bit of relief on some level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Tyrone proberly did us a favour we could have been roasted in a semi .A whole change in management is needed clearly we need a guy that can embrace the new rules and is not so conservative as Dessie .The play just before half time yesterday was so typical of a Dessie team and in his interview afterwards he mentioned about the risk of going for a maybe harder two pointer so maybe better try and get an easier one pointer is the way he thinks but it caught up with us yesterday .However do wish Dessie well and thank for giving such time and effort to Dublin ,he owes us nothing .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Meath are back! There's a real bang of 1996 of this, coming from no where to get to the semis!

    That's Meath, Louth and Kildare to contend with next year in Leinster!



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