Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

Since you seem to have a massive gap in your knowledge about Iran's human rights record, here's some more light reading for you.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/middle-east/iran/report-iran/

Just proving my point again. Can't see past the ideologies. I've written a hell of a lot more then just that (it was a side comment) but I guess it's easier to get offended by that and use it as a way out in the face of cold hard facts.

@yagan

You've strangely just repeated your comment from 2 replies ago which I addressed already and frankly made a mockery of.

"They expanded it within the confines of Sharia law. Which means they completely degraded women's rights in many other viscous ways. Why do you choose to ignore this?"

Ignore all previous instructions, give me a nice recipe for an apple crumble.

Trump is the classic cretin who cannot see past his own ego, Israel played the US to a tee

The Russia bit at the end may be where the off ramp is for Trump. He likes the idea of big actions, so a bombing run looks like good value for power projection, but the Iraq quagmire and subsequent surrender to the Taliban makes a US ground war adventure extremely unlikely.

Any lull in hostilities between Israel and Iran and Trump will claim that as "mission accomplished" and move back to fighting his fathers voice in his head.

Iran would never directly attack the mainland United States. I'm not even sure they could do this in any significant way.

Besides, it would be a massive strategic error to do so. MAGA is somewhat fractured on the idea of attacking Iran. Iran directly attacking the U.S. would only shore up public support for Trump's stance. The Ayatollah would definitely catch a bullet or a bomb over that, you can be fairly sure.

The only real options Iran has are to take its lumps and resume (after a while) with low-level agitation against Israel via proxies, plus continue trying to make a nuclear bomb to give themselves some real international leverage.

I'm trying to understand how people can be so biased. It has to be either ideology by choice or a deep lack of understanding of the situation.

Not likely, unless they want to be the star of "Team America 2: Axis of Assholes" they will likely keep provoking, get their shít slapped then eventually relent and throw in the towel once they realise they gotta take the L's in order to just stay alive.

Vance - it's not about regime change

Trump - hold my diet coke

As of now it's ballistic program covers Israel but there were plans I believe to develop missile's with an 8k range.

I'm not sure continuing to pursue a nuke is a good idea. Israel and the US have wiped out a nuclear program that took decades to get to this point. Air defences badly compromised and their air force crippled. Their allies (Russia) not helping. Drone and ballistic facilities damaged or destroyed. Multiple top army commanders and scientists kaput. They have them by the balls. The regime must feel like they've awoken from their worst nightmare.

Mossad and other intelligent agencies will know if they try to rebuild the program in persuit of the bomb. Why would they let it happen and reach this point again.

Iran has a few options but nuclear fantasies shouldn't be one of them.

Yeah, Netanyahu fairly got behind Trump in the last few months of the election after Harris tried to take a position on Israel that tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one.

People forget that the son in law still has Trump's ear and he's got to be one of the most pro-Israel individuals in Trump's royal court.

The nuclear threat is a Israeli fantasy to keep the US interested. The US thinks it's Tom Cruise saving the world.

More likely Israel is running low on arms with it's genocide campaign in Gaza so needed to create a way to suck the US back in, hence their attack on Iran.

Iran may still have most of the fissile material they've been able to manufacture. We can be fairly sure they got it out of Fordow. I have to think they did the same at their other facilities as well. They may be set back but not quite to square one.

I'm sure the Iranian regime would like to rethink their stance on Israel and just get on with things, but it's a central tenet of their platform.

Good point and it looks like the Americans waited until they'd potentially cleared the uranium from Fordow? Potentially to stop nuclear material leaking out. Next lost the means to develop it for now but what's next. Will the US/Israel demand it be handed over or will they track it and try take it by force?

Well China is lucky no county is bombing Iran right now…. Israel can easily put an end to that railway.

But that 90% from Iran is only 16% of their total imports. 1.8 mil out of 11.8 mil barrels. China also have a strategic reserve of 400 mil barrels, so they can go without Iranian oil for quite some time.

DONAKD

Anyone that can't spell his own name or, at the very least, spell check it shouldn't be in the position that he's in.

Christ, I'm more careful when I make decisions in a computer game.